The "War" on Drugs

Pro gave me the idea, and I've seen similar posts on http://thegutpile.net/index.php It's got me thinking that we should get a discussion going.

I for one choose not to do any drugs, but that doesn't mean that I haven't tried some or any. For the longest time growing up, I bought into the rhetoric and "teaching" I received in school.

As an adult, and a product of my own choices, I feel like the war is unnecessary. I feel like it promotes illegal activity, rather than curb it. I feel like it is a way for government agencies to line their pockets. I feel like less people would die on the Mexican border if drugs were legal. I think the abuse of alcohol is worse than the abuse of marijuana.

My underlying complaints with the "war" on drugs, is that the government feels the need to tell us how to live our lives. That doesn't sit well with me, when it comes to the things that I choose to put into my body.

We can make a lot of progress on the war on the drugs if we ever stepped up and had the balls to secure our boarders the right way. Then we would contain the problem inside the US. No drugs coming in and deal with the problems inside the US. Problem solved, but yet you guys look for the easy way out.

LETS JUST MAKE IT LEGAL The US should have gotten involved when the military in Mexico first started fighting the cartel, but we just sat back and did nothing because maybe many of our politicians are potheads too.

The drug cartel do not like Americans regardless if we are nice to them or not. There are many places in Mexico that you don't want to be after dark. There are many places in Baja California that I would never set foot again unless I was heavily armed. I heard/saw many killing when I lived there for two years.

That is about like saying the terrorists would be friendly to us if we stopped being Americans.

I too think the war on drugs is unnecessary. If I had my way, marijuana would be legalized. Though I wish it were not the case, in order to disrupt the cartels and street gangs revenue sources, and decrease the associated violence, all the other drugs should be legalized and regulated as well. I'm not sure I feel the same way about prostitution, but something must be done about human trafficking. I just don't know if legalizing prostitution would have that effect. Different dynamics involved.

I agree that alcohol abuse is more worrisome than marijuana abuse as well. I do not advocate drug usage though. Marijuana is fine by me, but I will never be an advocate of hard drug(cocaine, heroin, amphetamines) usage.

I too think the war on drugs is unnecessary. If I had my way, marijuana would be legalized. Though I wish it were not the case, in order to disrupt the cartels and street gangs revenue sources, and decrease the associated violence, all the other drugs should be legalized and regulated as well. I'm not sure I feel the same way about prostitution, but something must be done about human trafficking. I just don't know if legalizing prostitution would have that effect. Different dynamics involved.

I agree that alcohol abuse is more worrisome than marijuana abuse as well. I do not advocate drug usage though. Marijuana is fine by me, but I will never be an advocate of hard drug(cocaine, heroin, amphetamines) usage.

What about people that first experiment with marijuana and then move on to more hard core drugs? How are you going to prevent people from doing this if you believe marijuana should be legalized. Hard core drug users don't usually start off with the hardcore stuff first.

coyoteslayer wrote:

What about people that first experiment with marijuana and then move on to more hard core drugs? How are you going to prevent people from doing this if you believe marijuana should be legalized. Hard core drug users don't usually start off with the hardcore stuff first.

the new government run healthcare plan will cover this issue

coyoteslayer wrote:

What about people that first experiment with marijuana and then move on to more hard core drugs?

If others want to move on to harder drugs is not my choice.

coyoteslayer wrote:

How are you going to prevent people from doing this if you believe marijuana should be legalized.

Preventing others from trying drugs is not the objective here. Curbing drug trafficking violence, and drying up revenue sources for gangs and cartels is the objective, along with lessening the amount of non-violent criminals and the burden over-regulating is creating for our jail system.

coyoteslayer wrote:

Hard core drug users don't usually start off with the hardcore stuff first.

Some don't, some do, either way it is beside the point.

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the new government run healthcare plan will cover this issue

Oh yes more taxes for us to pay because some idiot wants to do drugs.

CS, with all due respect buddy, you're not getting it.

Sealing the borders will not do anything. Have you not heard of prohibition and what happened with that?

How many bad hoods and towns will there be if there is no need for Mexican brown? What would happen to Colombia if coke was legal? How about the Middle East and opium?

If there is no demand from outside sources, there will not need to be a foreign supply.

Alcohol is a good example of this CS. First off, it is regulated. There are taxes on it, and age limits to its usage. It is however, not illegal to consume. There are consequences for its misuse. You drink and drive, you go to jail. Drunk drivers are bad for society, or affect it as you say. By your logic, we'll have to board up all places that sell it, and deal with those rebel home brewers. It just doesn't work buddy.

It is someone's choice to get wasted, someone's choice to use. Liberty is taken away when those choices are outlawed.

And to answer your questions specifically, no we don't give Sr. Sanchez a free pass. We take his market away from him by legalizing it here!!! We license growers and producers here(fee), we set potency standards or limits(regulations), and we let the people decide for them selves if they want to use and abuse. Set laws for abusers, and enforce them.

There are other positives to legalization dude. Have any idea how many dope dealers are in the klink? Take them out of the pokey, and BAM!!, now you have room for murderers and child molestors, people who REALLY affect society.

coyoteslayer wrote:

shotgunwill wrote:

CS, with all due respect buddy, you're not getting it.

Sealing the borders will not do anything. Have you not heard of prohibition and what happened with that?

It would keep drugs from coming into this country. We need to seal the boarders regardless right? What are we going to do give out cards to the drug cartel so that Senor Sanchez can deliver his daily supply to us so we can redistribute it to our users?

How many bad hoods and towns will there be if there is no need for Mexican brown? What would happen to Colombia if coke was legal? How about the Middle East and opium?

The demand would go up because more people would be using it and people still have to make a living so they will keep growing it so that we have a fresh supply. Bad hoods aren't just because of illegal drugs


If there is no demand from outside sources, there will not need to be a foreign supply.

Sure Mexico could grow all that we need. There would be a market for it just like any other product.

Alcohol is a good example of this CS. First off, it is regulated. There are taxes on it, and age limits to its usage. It is however, not illegal to consume. There are consequences for its misuse. You drink and drive, you go to jail. Drunk drivers are bad for society, or affect it as you say. By your logic, we'll have to board up all places that sell it, and deal with those rebel home brewers. It just doesn't work buddy. I never said that alcohol was bad. It's the people that over-drink and do stupid things that have ruined it for the rest of you people. If people only drank a few then it would be fine but some people like to get wasted.

Because some are less responsible or intelligent than others, we must limit the personal liberties of all...Do you agree, CS? Because that seems to be the distillation of your intellectual helium*.








I'm aware of helium's true properties.

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Because some are less responsible or intelligent than others, we must limit the personal liberties of all...Do you agree, CS? Because that seems to be the distillation of your intellectual helium*.








I'm aware of helium's true properties.

Well you have to limit people's behaviors if they are to stupid to control themselves. Example: you feel like you need to throw out personal attacks because you cannot follow the rules, therefore, we have stupid forum rules for people like you that cannot refrain from acting without thinking so they get banned.

Answer a personal attack with another personal attack = FAIL

shotgunwill wrote:

Answer a personal attack with another personal attack = FAIL

I would just using an example why we have to babysit society. If we were all good responsible people then we wouldn't have as many rules or laws.

1) While it is true that there would be fewer laws if everyone were responsible or good, it is naive to believe that it is possible in this age.

2) Weed can't be grown cheaper.

3) Our weed is way better anyway..... isn't that right?

4) If a drunk driver gets in accident with someone, "WE" don't have a problem. "THEY" do. There are laws in place for the misuse of alcohol. Morally speaking, the consequence from drinking and driving, and taking someone's life, is the guilt, remorse, and regret, that they will no doubt have the REST of their life.

5) No matter which religion you profess, it is WRONG in my opinion to legislate subjugation upon the rest of the people, because of the misdeeds of some yahoo

6) Death penalty is whole nother topic, please stay on target shooter.

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Oakland Cali says can't beat them so let's tax them referring to pot growers

coyoteslayer wrote:

shotgunwill wrote:

Answer a personal attack with another personal attack = FAIL

I would just using an example why we have to babysit society. If we were all good responsible people then we wouldn't have as many rules or laws.

I think what your really saying is anyone that lives by a different set of standards and morals than you need to be babysat. That my friend is the same idealogy the Taliban subscribes to.

Pot growers unions, that's funny!!

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I think what your really saying is anyone that lives by a different set of standards and morals than you need to be babysat. That my friend is the same idealogy the Taliban subscribes to..

I don't see the Taliban babysitting people to behave in society. I see them being the thugs. They are the one's that are causing the problems. So I guess you're right drug users that cause problems are like the Taliban.

coyoteslayer wrote:

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I think what your really saying is anyone that lives by a different set of standards and morals than you need to be babysat. That my friend is the same idealogy the Taliban subscribes to..

I don't see the Taliban babysitting people to behave in society. I see them being the thugs. They are the one's that are causing the problems. So I guess you're right drug users that cause problems are like the Taliban.

Whew that one went by you like a speeding bullet. The Taliban uses their ideology to force people to live by their beliefs those that are deemed to have violated the tenets of the Islam belief system are considered infadels and subject to imprisonment,torture,and death. Same ideology you appear to be subscribing to.