Hatch Does Right by Opposing Kagan Nomination

I'm very happy that Hatch has done the right thing. Now, we can only pray that other Republican Senators see the light. She must be stopped by a fillibuster.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/106941-hatch-to-oppose-kagan

BERG wrote:

I'm very happy that Hatch has done the right thing. Now, we can only pray that other Republican Senators see the light. She must be stopped by a fillibuster.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/106941-hatch-to-oppose-kagan

Sorry BERG...I don't dare agree or disagree with you, that supermod will roll his eyes at me....

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Sorry BERG...I don't dare agree or disagree with you, that supermod will roll his eyes at me....

.45, I think you wish you were a MOD.

Just go ahead and agree .45. Again, I thank Sen. Hatch for doing the right thing by saying no to Kagan. Notwithstanding, this does not necessarily mean that I'm going to vote for him in 2012.
I hope that we see this happen:

http://patriotupdate.com/exclusives/read/149/A-Filibuster-of-Elena-Kagan-is-Justified

And, if you're The NRA:

http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Federal/Read.aspx?id=5951

BERG wrote:

Again, I thank Sen. Hatch for doing the right thing by saying no to Kagan. Notwithstanding, this does not necessarily mean that I'm going to vote for him in 2012.

+1 Yes Berg, many wrongs cannot be undone by this right.

Furthermore, if you thought Sotomayor was bad, just wait till if/when this one sits in power.....

Looks like The Rino John McCain wants to get reelected too. Now, coming out against Kagan might actually mean something if he, along with Hatch, can convince other Republicans to fillibuster. Even so, he's simply another RINO looking for votes.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/107517-mccain-to-oppose-kagan

Lindsey Graham The Progressive RINO F***s America over.

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/109763-kagan-wins-confirmation-in-party-line-vote

The good folks in his home state need to vote Graham out! I like what Gary M. had to say about this:

"Senator Graham,

You said: “I understood that we lost, Sen. Obama won, and ….the Constitution requires me as a senator not to replace my judgment for his…or pick a fight with Ms. Kagan.”

The depth of ignorance revealed by your comment is especially alarming in a Senator. Neither the Constitution nor an electoral loss require you to do any such thing. Article II, Section 2 directs you to provide "Advice and Consent," not to act as a Rubber Stamp for any president. How could you not know this? And for THIS appointee?! A rabidly political activist who, for over three decades has used every means to advance a radical political agenda. The current president will be gone in little more than two years—this poltical clone of his will be around for decades after the country has utterly repudiated their shared Marxist agenda.

You are truly an empty-headed discrace." - Gary M. comments on article
BY Gary M on 07/20/2010 at 13:02

http://hotair.com/archives/2010/07/20/lindsey-graham-im-voting-for-kagan/

Graham is a perfect example of why voting for the letter after the name is NOT a good idea. This man is WORSE than a Democrat, at least with a Dem you expect such nonsense to spew out the pie hole!

The latest on Kagan...nothing about her is good for our country.

http://thehill.com/opinion/columnists/dick-morris/109903-kagan-promoted-shariah

IMHO the reason Hatch voted no was for his next election and that is it period dot end of conversation for me...election positioning is all he's doing.

k2muskie wrote:

IMHO the reason Hatch voted no was for his next election and that is it period dot end of conversation for me...election positioning is all he's doing.

+1

k2muskie wrote:

IMHO the reason Hatch voted no was for his next election and that is it period dot end of conversation for me...election positioning is all he's doing.

I concur!

I am also in 100% agreement with K2! It is time for Orrin Snatch to retire and join the Tabernacle Choir!

I agree with Pro. and Dubob on this one. The Senator did the right thing.
Two weeks ago Senator Hatch attended a town hall meeting at the Layton conference center. I went into the meeting thinking that he should not be reelected, but I left the meeting with a whole different perspective.

I do not agree with L2 and K2 in that Hatch needs to go. Right now we need him more than ever. In spite of any short comings, he still has a 90% conservative voting record, and he is due to be the senior member of the powerful finance committee at the first of year. We need Hatch in Washington. We simply can't afford to see him go the way of Sen. Bennett, as I believe that this would be a huge mistake for Utah. A junior Senator simply can't accomplish what Hatch can get done.

Now, I know that many folks don't like Hatch simply because he's a Mormon or he's been a Senator for so long; however, we need him now more than ever. Everyone talks about term limits, but the truth of the matter is that we are not going to see this happen anytime soon. We would all like to see Washington cleaned up, but getting rid of every incumbent is not the answer. We would be foolish to send Hatch packing.

He's still fighting for Utah and he is a true conservative. At the town hall he also gave an acceptable answer for voting on some legislation that I don't agree with, but I don't have time to post all of what he said at the moment.

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/69656

BERG wrote:

He's still fighting for Utah and he is a true conservative.

Zactly

BERG wrote:

I agree with Pro. and Dubob on this one. The Senator did the right thing.

Sorry, but if you think we 'need' Hatch now more than ever you do NOT agree with me!

Hatch is a smart guy, he saw what happened to his sidekick Bennett and he doesn't want the same treatment in 2012.

BERG wrote:

Now, I know that many folks don't like Hatch simply because he's a Mormon or he's been a Senator for so long; however, we need him now more than ever. Everyone talks about term limits, but the truth of the matter is that we are not going to see this happen anytime soon. We would all like to see Washington cleaned up, but getting rid of every incumbent is not the answer. We would be foolish to send Hatch packing.

I am not a Hatch fan, but it certainly is not because of his religion. Part of it is how long he has been in Washington. I don't see how one can swim in the filth for 34 years and not be tainted or at least out of touch with the folks back home. I do NOT, however, support term limits except for those enforced at the ballot box. We shitcanned Bennett and we WILL shitcan Hatch! Why do we 'need' him more than ever? What has he done that someone like Jason Chafetz couldn't do in his stead? Did Hatch stop the stimulus bill? Answer, NO! Did he stop Obamacare, which at the time was the worst legislation passed in your/my lifetime? Answer, NO! Did he stop the confirmation of soon to be TWO progressive Supreme Court Justices? Answer, NO! Did he stop the newly signed Financial Reform Act that has replaced Obamcare as the WORST legislation signed if not is this nations history certainly in our lifetime? Answer, HELL NO! So I ask, WTF has Hatch done that makes him irreplaceable in the U.S. Senate?

proutdoors wrote:

BERG wrote:

I agree with Pro. and Dubob on this one. The Senator did the right thing.

Sorry, but if you think we 'need' Hatch now more than ever you do NOT agree with me!

Hatch is a smart guy, he saw what happened to his sidekick Bennett and he doesn't want the same treatment in 2012.

BERG wrote:

Now, I know that many folks don't like Hatch simply because he's a Mormon or he's been a Senator for so long; however, we need him now more than ever. Everyone talks about term limits, but the truth of the matter is that we are not going to see this happen anytime soon. We would all like to see Washington cleaned up, but getting rid of every incumbent is not the answer. We would be foolish to send Hatch packing.

I am not a Hatch fan, but it certainly is not because of his religion. Part of it is how long he has been in Washington. I don't see how one can swim in the filth for 34 years and not be tainted or at least out of touch with the folks back home. I do NOT, however, support term limits except for those enforced at the ballot box. We shitcanned Bennett and we WILL shitcan Hatch! Why do we 'need' him more than ever? What has he done that someone like Jason Chafetz couldn't do in his stead? Did Hatch stop the stimulus bill? Answer, NO! Did he stop Obamacare, which at the time was the worst legislation passed in your/my lifetime? Answer, NO! Did he stop the confirmation of soon to be TWO progressive Supreme Court Justices? Answer, NO! Did he stop the newly signed Financial Reform Act that has replaced Obamcare as the WORST legislation signed if not is this nations history certainly in our lifetime? Answer, HELL NO! So I ask, WTF has Hatch done that makes him irreplaceable in the U.S. Senate?

A-FRUCKING-MEN x 10000. The incumbents are the problem!

proutdoors wrote:

Did Hatch stop the stimulus bill? Answer, NO! Did he stop Obamacare, which at the time was the worst legislation passed in your/my lifetime? Answer, NO! Did he stop the confirmation of soon to be TWO progressive Supreme Court Justices? Answer, NO! Did he stop the newly signed Financial Reform Act that has replaced Obamcare as the WORST legislation signed if not is this nations history certainly in our lifetime? Answer, HELL NO!

Did he STOP any of that? Of course not. It's not possible for one person to STOP anything Congress does. It takes a combined effort of a majority of the individual members of Congress to STOP something.

Now, did Hatch vote against everything you mentioned? That would be a 'YES' in every case. So what more would you have him do? He is, after all, only one vote out of 100 votes.

My point is, he repeatedly makes the claim he is 'needed' now more than ever, yet I can't see what 'value' he has that can't be replaced or improved upon by someone else. He is NOT a true conservative, and for anyone to make such an assertion has to ignore Hatch's long voting record.

proutdoors wrote:

My point is, he repeatedly makes the claim he is 'needed' now more than ever, yet I can't see what 'value' he has that can't be replaced or improved upon by someone else. He is NOT a true conservative, and for anyone to make such an assertion has to ignore Hatch's long voting record.

Your point is now understood. I can not argue your assertion that Hatch isn't a 'true conservative' based on his record because I don't routinely track that type of record. I do know for a fact that he is 100% in agreement with me on every single issue I am passionate about and have written to him about. And those issues vary from 2nd Amendment issues to veteran treatment to health care, etc. I've always felt that Hatch was a Utahn first and a party liner second. Just like Gov. Scott Matheson who was one of the very few Democrats I ever voted for. My point is that Hatch has, and does, represent my interests for the most part and I will continue to vote for him as long as he does. There are a whole bunch of folks in all levels of government that I'd like to see replaced that include both parties, but Hatch isn't one of them. He's done a lot more good for Utah than he has done bad - in my opinion. Your mileage may vary.

proutdoors wrote:

My point is, he repeatedly makes the claim he is 'needed' now more than ever, yet I can't see what 'value' he has that can't be replaced or improved upon by someone else. He is NOT a true conservative, and for anyone to make such an assertion has to ignore Hatch's long voting record.

I agree with nearly everything that dubob has written. Pro, not so much…if you can’t see Hatch’s value, then you are truly ignorant to the facts and how things actually work in Washington.

I say that Hatch is a conservative, and you are not going to find many with a stronger conservative voting record Mr. PROknowitall. Maybe you should review Hatch's voting record for yourself and then compare it to every Senator in the last 50 years. He has an 88-90% conservative voting record. Nevertheless, I do understand that PRO comes from a radical position of Libertarian fanaticism. So, if Hatch isn't a conservative in your world PRO, then you must be a pure Anarchist.

http://www.whorunsgov.com/Profiles/Orrin_G._Hatch

http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/Orrin_Hatch.htm Not perfect, but find me someone who is!

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2010/0712/Orrin-Hatch-s-no-on-Elena-Kagan-a-template-for-GOP-opposition

http://hatch.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Legislation.VotingRecord&Congress=111

Go ahead PRO, pick Hatch apart in your arrogance and then tell us all what you would have done differently from your fanatical, radical, libertarian point of view. I hate to break this to you, but you’re not even in the same league as Senator Hatch. Hatch is in the majors and you’re still playing Pee Wee ball.

We certainly do need Hatch more than ever, and if you don't understand that then maybe you should take a basic politics course, at the local 2 year University, and learn how The Washington Machine works. In fact, Hatch is far too valuable to lose right now. He is one man, and he simply can't change the world by himself, but he will get some help in November. If we send a new Jr. Senator to Washington, in place of Hatch, in 2012 he isn't going to get anything done and we lose Hatch’s committee stronghold.

In theory, I think it’s a great idea to send someone new, yet in practice it is the wrong thing to do. Why? Simply because we are not going to see every incumbent, in every state, voted out of office; it just isn't going to happen. Therefore, if we throw Hatch out we end up screwing our state the entire conservative cause. Now let me say this: I am far more conservative in my political beliefs than Senator Hatch. Nevertheless, I will stand with him, because after considering the big picture he’s our best option right now, and he has the power to help push back the tide of Marxism that is swallowing us whole.

As a Senior Member of The Finance Committee, Hatch will control the agenda concerning what actually gets discussed on the floor. We need him because the new banking reform bill is perhaps the MOST socialist piece of legislation ever passed in the history of our country. I would suggest that everyone take some time to find out what it’s all about. Hatch understands the horrific implications of this new law, and he will be able to do something about changing, or even stop, much of the socialist agenda contained therein. After considering ALL things, I’m certain that we need him.

In conclusion, I would like to see term limits; although, no matter how bad I want it to happen, in practical terms, it's simply a pipe dream.

dubob, fair enough. While I don't see things the same as you, at least you are able to intelligently state your views. So, kudos to you.

As for BERG, I am truly confused by the contempt someone I consider a friend repeatedly expresses toward me. So, since he is unable, or at least unwilling to discuss things with me as an adult I will avoid directly commenting to his posts until he either gets over whatever it is that is bugging him so bad about me, or until he is willing to at least be civil toward me.

IN truth, I am not only confused, but disappointed. Nonetheless, I STILL consider BERG a friend, and hopefully someday he will forgive me of whatever transgression(s) I have committed that he has taken offense to. To bad, because this is one subject I truly would LOVE to delve into, but not with the tone set forth in the last few posts. Carry on.

Sensitivity Training gone to far? I expected that you would rough me up a little in return...no need to go away with hurt feelers.