Courageous Restraint?

60 Minutes is showing a special on the results of this policy as I scratch this out. The first company of Marines (Golf company) to have to abide the new rules has taken 7 deaths vs 0 Afghan civilians. Discuss...

http://www.military.com/news/article/nato-pushes-courageous-restraint-for-troops.html

I confess I haven't read the link but I do know the rules of engagement are pure bullshit. We send the troops into a war zone and then demand they conduct their dutie like a highway patrol trooper. Screw that kill 'em all let god sort 'em out.

Bring the troops home NOW!

proutdoors wrote:

Bring the troops home NOW!

100 PERCENT AGREE

proutdoors wrote:

GTF out of NATO NOW!

Fixed it for ya Bart.....

shotgunwill wrote:

proutdoors wrote:

GTF out of NATO NOW!

Fixed it for ya Bart.....

Perfect.

proutdoors wrote:

shotgunwill wrote:

proutdoors wrote:

GTF out of NATO NOW!

Fixed it for ya Bart.....

Perfect.

Further refined become an isolationist nation I'm sure that will solve everything for this country...

k2muskie wrote:

Further refined become an isolationist nation I'm sure that will solve everything for this country...

Not isolationist, just not intrusive and not being nation builders. Are you saying you support us being in Iraq/Afghanistan and having over 900 bases in dozens of countries?

proutdoors wrote:

k2muskie wrote:

Further refined become an isolationist nation I'm sure that will solve everything for this country...

Not isolationist, just not intrusive and not being nation builders. Are you saying you support us being in Iraq/Afghanistan and having over 900 bases in dozens of countries?

Questions back atcha and not just you Pro lets here from others...

1)When we went into Iraq/Afganistan what were your thoughts 'then'???

2)What other OS bases do you propose are wasteful and need to be closed???

3)So pull out of NATO...then what do you propose would be the best thing when we're no longer in NATO???

k2muskie wrote:

proutdoors wrote:

k2muskie wrote:

Further refined become an isolationist nation I'm sure that will solve everything for this country...

Not isolationist, just not intrusive and not being nation builders. Are you saying you support us being in Iraq/Afghanistan and having over 900 bases in dozens of countries?

Questions back atcha and not just you Pro lets here from others...

1)When we went into Iraq/Afganistan what were your thoughts 'then'???

2)What other OS bases do you propose are wasteful and need to be closed???

3)So pull out of NATO...then what do you propose would be the best thing when we're no longer in NATO???

My answers: It was a mistake based on a personal vendetta due to Husseins futile attempt to assasinate Bush sr. That our govt would do the same it has done in every conflict since WWII and try to win the war with a ballpoint pen causing the unecessary deaths of young American men and women.

I think we should concentrate on protecting U.S. soil. I see no reason to station troops in foreign lands. There was a time it was necessary for tactical reasons but with modern technologies it is no longer necessary.

I advocate not only pulling out of NATO but also the U.N. The main reason being both organisations are a cess pool of corruption but also actually hinder the U.S. from protecting itself.

k2muskie wrote:

Questions back atcha and not just you Pro lets here from others...

1)When we went into Iraq/Afganistan what were your thoughts 'then'???

2)What other OS bases do you propose are wasteful and need to be closed???

3)So pull out of NATO...then what do you propose would be the best thing when we're no longer in NATO???

First order of business; you did NOT answer my question. Why?

1)When we went into Afghanistan I was 100% behind going in their and rooting out the 'bad guys' and then getting the hell out of there. Most intelligent reports say there is between 100-200 'bad guys', with them being spread throughout Afghanistan and Pakistan. That is ONE HUNDRED TO TWO HUNDRED. Do we really 'need' ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND US MILITARY PERSONNEL to keep these 'bad guys' under wraps? As for Iraq, I was duped and originally supported going into Iraq, I have since come to my senses. I also originally supported GITMO, the Patriot Act, wiretapping, and many other unconstitutional garbage rammed through by the Bush Administration. So, because I was WRONG initially, am I not allowed to learn from my mistakes? I sure hope that is NOT k2's stance.
2)EVERY OS base should be phased out. I can't see how it can be justified to have military personnel in foreign countries unless we are at war with them or they are allies of ours during a war. How is America 'safer' by having troops in Okinawa?
3)Pull out of NATO, pull out of the United Nations and kick their ass OUT of New York, and stop creating enemies by meddling in other nations affairs/governments!
The best thing to do once we stop striving for One World Government is to protect our borders, let other nations work out their own problems. We should clean our own damn house before we worry about telling others how to run their house(s). We have plenty of problems right here to keep us plenty busy, why are we trying to tell others what they are 'allowed'/not allowed to do?

proutdoors wrote:

k2muskie wrote:

Questions back atcha and not just you Pro lets here from others...

1)When we went into Iraq/Afganistan what were your thoughts 'then'???

2)What other OS bases do you propose are wasteful and need to be closed???

3)So pull out of NATO...then what do you propose would be the best thing when we're no longer in NATO???

First order of business; you did NOT answer my question. Why?

1)When we went into Afghanistan I was 100% behind going in their and rooting out the 'bad guys' and then getting the hell out of there. Most intelligent reports say there is between 100-200 'bad guys', with them being spread throughout Afghanistan and Pakistan. That is ONE HUNDRED TO TWO HUNDRED. Do we really 'need' ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND US MILITARY PERSONNEL to keep these 'bad guys' under wraps? As for Iraq, I was duped and originally supported going into Iraq, I have since come to my senses. I also originally supported GITMO, the Patriot Act, wiretapping, and many other unconstitutional garbage rammed through by the Bush Administration. So, because I was WRONG initially, am I not allowed to learn from my mistakes? I sure hope that is NOT k2's stance.
2)EVERY OS base should be phased out. I can't see how it can be justified to have military personnel in foreign countries unless we are at war with them or they are allies of ours during a war. How is America 'safer' by having troops in Okinawa?
3)Pull out of NATO, pull out of the United Nations and kick their ass OUT of New York, and stop creating enemies by meddling in other nations affairs/governments!
The best thing to do once we stop striving for One World Government is to protect our borders, let other nations work out their own problems. We should clean our own damn house before we worry about telling others how to run their house(s). We have plenty of problems right here to keep us plenty busy, why are we trying to tell others what they are 'allowed'/not allowed to do?

Interesting and 'why' I didn't answer your questions is because at times some folks need to really sit back and reflect on what they're posting and if it is even realistic. I say it's nice to hear what others think but a vast majority of times is just spewing from the clap trap and going with the status quo without having a clue. Not that I have additional information but I do believe in being rationale.

So all I can say is based on comments most have on this site...bottom line is we need to be a country that practices isolationism in national policy avoiding at all cost economic or political entaglements with other countires basically telling everyone else to be blunt F-off and leave us alone and we'll stay out of your business. Is that really the best for this country as a whole...get out of NATO, screw the UN, screw and F-off allies? Hmmmm is all I can say. Again some things are left better unsaid and left to others imagination and hopefully they 'THINK' before being so narrow minded in what they may post.

Remember, no matter what my friends we're all just grains of sand on the beach...and US foreign policy will change every 4-8 years like it or not and their ain't one damn thing you, me, or anyone else can do about it unless you become one of the paid establishment in Washington DC.

I'm sure most know it isn't the President that establishes the ROEs is you're elected officials sitting in Washington. And well pulling out of NATO and the UN is nothing but clap trap spewing as in your's and mine lifetime...taint going to happen so be realistic is alls I'll say.

So maybe my questions stimulated thought and maybe not but some need to 'think' before they type is all I'll say. Have a great evening and week as I'm sure there will be something tomorrow that will drive an informational post that is seen as 'yea that's what we need to do'....I'm curious what your flags will look like for a country this is in isolation...maybe some need to practice isolation themselves and move off to their own utopia where they have all the power, no government interference, no government anything...tell me how it works out....