Where to put them?

Those in favor of an AZ style bill for Utah, where do you propose we put immigrants that are picked up by local police? Most jails on the wasatch front are sitting at capacity so for every body that comes in, another one has to go out the back door. If 25 illegals get rounded up a day, that is 25 people with pending criminal charges or sentences that will have to be pushed out to make room for them. Will this law provide for the facilities to hold these people until ICE processes them and ships them out? The state of Utah doesn't have the money to do that. Any law that mandates that a hold or detainer be placed on someone based solely off of immigration status will put an enormous amount of strain on the agencies that have to house them. Right now, jail populations are managed with early releases, pre-trial releases, and overcrowding releases for minor offenses. Upsetting this balance could have some very negative effects on who gets kicked out.

SCOTTYP for hell sakes don't use any kind of logic around here... Know your audience damn it!!!

It never has mattered that we don't have anywhere to put these people or the money to try and convict them!!

Those around these parts are only worried about the "lock em all up and let God sort em out" mentality

ScottyP wrote:

Those in favor of an AZ style bill for Utah, where do you propose we put immigrants that are picked up by local police? Most jails on the wasatch front are sitting at capacity so for every body that comes in, another one has to go out the back door. If 25 illegals get rounded up a day, that is 25 people with pending criminal charges or sentences that will have to be pushed out to make room for them. Will this law provide for the facilities to hold these people until ICE processes them and ships them out? The state of Utah doesn't have the money to do that. Any law that mandates that a hold or detainer be placed on someone based solely off of immigration status will put an enormous amount of strain on the agencies that have to house them. Right now, jail populations are managed with early releases, pre-trial releases, and overcrowding releases for minor offenses. Upsetting this balance could have some very negative effects on who gets kicked out.

First of, welcome to the forum ScottyP, and you make a valid point. So what would you say is a valid solution to the situation? I really hate to see folks let out of Jail when they are there for a reason, seems like a lose lose situation to me.

VOR your stereotyping continues to amaze me! You continue to prove that your box is so very small.

There is plenty of room to pitch some tents in the yard at a prison. I think Joe Arpaio could give some good advice on how to let prisoners pay their own way.

fatbass wrote:

There is plenty of room to pitch some tents in the yard at a prison. I think Joe Arpaio could give some good advice on how to let prisoners pay their own way.

+10000

I expected the "put 'em in tents' answer. This shows a lack of understanding on how the whole thing works. First of all, putting them in a tent is not a viable solution because it still costs money-- a lot of money that no one can pony up right now. The additional staff to keep them secure, food, clothing, and medical costs, etc. Sheriff Joe in AZ has been doing his tent city for many years and it was something he put some thought and budgeting into over a period of time. The Salt Lake County Sheriff's budget has been slashed by millions and all jail staff took a pay cut this year. There is no money and no space to house more bodies period. Another thing about Sheriff Joe and his ability to deport aliens in an expidited manner is the fact that his deputies are cross trained as ICE agents an there is a large existing infrastructure (Customs and Border Protection) in place in his area for housing and deporting aliens. We are not in the same boat.

I am not saying I have any valid solutions for this problem. The answer lies with the 2 party system working together at the federal level to solve this thing which they don't seem to be willing to do right now. Most states simply can not do it on there own. I didn't start this thread because I had any answers, I just happen to be in a position where I understand the issues of jail space and law enforcement resources and budgets. It is easy to say 'round them up and ship them back to mexico' but the logistics make that very difficult.

I agree it would be expensive to house these illegals, but how much are we spending to keep them here anyway. With welfare, medicaid and other government assistance that they can claim. Seems like it would be about the same.
Stop paying for them to be here and start paying for them to be in jail/deported.

If you don't like me stereotyping all of you then feel free to at least wait more than one post to confirm it!!!!


Classic!!!!!





"fatbass wrote:
There is plenty of room to pitch some tents in the yard at a prison. I think Joe Arpaio could give some good advice on how to let prisoners pay their own way.

+10000"



What do we do from December till the end of March????

I am curious why we 'need' to hold these folks for long periods of time. When someone is arrested for illegal activity and they are QUICKLY found to be here illegally, they should be deported within 72 hours.

This should be done while also cutting off entitlements from those w/o documentation. That means NO free public schooling, NO free health care, NO drivers licenses, NO aid for food/housing, and NO amnesty.

Along with this, the overcrowding of the jails could be eliminated by decriminalizing drug use. This would also lower the number of despots crossing the border illegally.

voiceofreason wrote:

If you don't like me stereotyping all of you then feel free to at least wait more than one post to confirm it!!!!


Classic!!!!!





"fatbass wrote:
There is plenty of room to pitch some tents in the yard at a prison. I think Joe Arpaio could give some good advice on how to let prisoners pay their own way.

+10000"



What do we do from December till the end of March????

That's shipping season; when it's cool enough to stuff them in semi trailers and haul them back to Mexico.

BASSY at least you have a sense of humor.... Shipping and the ever famous Jerk Booth will go down as a couple of my favorites!!!!

voiceofreason wrote:

BASSY at least you have a sense of humor.... Shipping and the ever famous Jerk Booth will go down as a couple of my favorites!!!!

Anyway, Pro: You bring up some very valid points. Decriminalizing and regulating drug use is the obvious answer to the failed war on drugs. It would open up jail space and free up recources for treatment and I believe it is the right thing to do. What an adult does in private that doesn't harm others should not be cause to throw them in jail or prison.

As far as quick deportation of aliens, the feds would have to step up on that one. Utah has no authority to deport people out of the country. The reason people sit in jail for a period of time prior to deportation is because they are waiting to be processed by ICE as well as be adjudicated on any criminal matters they are being held on. This can take anywhere from several days to several weeks (months if they have felony charges). ICE then picks them up from the jails and takes them to a processing and deportation area along the border and sends them back.

The only way to make the process more efficient would have to come from the federal level.

ScottyP wrote:

The only way to make the process more efficient would have to come from the federal level.

The problem therein is that the Fed would have to get onboard...... Whatever their aim or agenda is in all of this, they seems dead set on dragging their feet. Feet draggers don't get shit done near as quick as others.