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proutdoors Lobbyist
Posts : 1069 Join date : 2010-05-29 Age : 57 Location : Gunnison Valley
| Subject: Re: 9-9-9 Sun Oct 23, 2011 2:09 pm | |
| - lefty wrote:
- tie tax cuts for corporations to jobs . . maybe we do need tariffs, and no free trade, we cant compete cheap enough because of the higher standard of living we have . .
bring capaital gains back to 35% to49%
lefty
Tariffs is a sure way to stifle the economy, brilliant! No free trade...that will really help the "99%" out won't it? Higher capital gains taxes......will that lower or raise the costs of products/services? | |
| | | lefty Community Organizer
Posts : 193 Join date : 2011-10-07
| Subject: Re: 9-9-9 Mon Oct 24, 2011 5:25 pm | |
| we have damn little to 'trade' with anyways these days . .
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| | | proutdoors Lobbyist
Posts : 1069 Join date : 2010-05-29 Age : 57 Location : Gunnison Valley
| Subject: Re: 9-9-9 Tue Nov 01, 2011 7:54 am | |
| And why is that? Could 81,000 new regulations in the last two years alone have anything to do with it? | |
| | | lefty Community Organizer
Posts : 193 Join date : 2011-10-07
| Subject: Re: 9-9-9 Tue Nov 01, 2011 8:01 am | |
| no, not one damn bit, its because its easier to pay employees very little in a semi-safe work environment in a country like brazil, where they have lowered their tax rate to attract american companies, and they have nationalized health care . .
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| | | proutdoors Lobbyist
Posts : 1069 Join date : 2010-05-29 Age : 57 Location : Gunnison Valley
| Subject: Re: 9-9-9 Tue Nov 01, 2011 8:07 am | |
| - lefty wrote:
- no, not one damn bit, its because its easier to pay employees very little in a semi-safe work environment in a country like brazil, where they have lowered their tax rate to attract american companies, and they have nationalized health care . .
lefty Not one damn bit........what ignorance and what arrogance! Companies are in business to make a profit, which you think is immoral. When costs increase, whether from higher wages/higher operating costs due to regulations, companies look for ways to cut costs or raise their prices. That is Economics 101. Can you honestly say we NEED 40,000+ new regulations added every year? Do you have any idea what that does to businesses, especially small/upstart ones? Regulations are TAXES, they benefit the "1%" and hurt the "99%", yet predictably you advocate more regulations, while claiming to be 'for the worker'.......... | |
| | | lefty Community Organizer
Posts : 193 Join date : 2011-10-07
| Subject: Re: 9-9-9 Tue Nov 01, 2011 8:13 am | |
| republican talking points . . . we need regulations to keep our workers safe, our water and air clean, and to prevent the money grubbers from completely ruining the environment and our nations economy.
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| | | proutdoors Lobbyist
Posts : 1069 Join date : 2010-05-29 Age : 57 Location : Gunnison Valley
| Subject: Re: 9-9-9 Tue Nov 01, 2011 8:21 am | |
| You couldn't be more wrong. First, I am NOT a Republican. Second, Republicans like regulations almost as much as Democrats do. Third, it is you that spews talking points. You spout off things that FDR pushed, which have proven to be complete failures. The overwhelming majority of regulations, I dare say 99% ( ) do little/nothing to actually protect the people/environment. Instead, they benefit the well-connected. This whole uproar that supposedly started the OWS was caused by REGULATIONS. It was the Frank/Dodd financial reform bill that was the driving force behind BofA to raise fees for debit card users, yet you and the useful IDIOTS 'occupying' think more regulations is the solution. | |
| | | lefty Community Organizer
Posts : 193 Join date : 2011-10-07
| Subject: Re: 9-9-9 Tue Nov 01, 2011 12:00 pm | |
| you may not be a republican but you speak their language:
no regulations on biz
no safety net
no epa
no dept of education. . .
i know, i know, heard it
lefty
ps bofa announced today no fees on debit cards | |
| | | proutdoors Lobbyist
Posts : 1069 Join date : 2010-05-29 Age : 57 Location : Gunnison Valley
| Subject: Re: 9-9-9 Tue Nov 01, 2011 1:04 pm | |
| Its called common sense! Regulations do NOT work, higher taxes do NOT reduce deficits, punishing the producers does NOT equate to prosperity for others, and the government makes things worse when they 'save us' from ourselves! Those are NOT Republican talking points, those are libertarian concepts. Most republicans are progressives along with 99% of Democrats, BOTH parties support central planning, BOTH support policies that 'save' the citizens from 'enemies'. They only defer on how/when/where to regulate/control the citizenry.
I have yet to see a single Republican, not even Ron Paul, that is calling for no regulations on biz, no safety nets, and only Ron Paul is calling for an elimination of the EPA and the Department of Education. I happen to be in 100% agreement with Dr Paul on all four. We need MINIMAL regulations on businesses, MINIMAL and temporary safety nets, a complete elimination of the EPA<> as it raises the costs of doing business in this country making it impossible to complete on the global scale, and the federal Government should have ZERO involvement in the education of children<> that is a role that should be left to the local/state governments.
I realize that BofA rescinded their debit fees. However, if you think this is the end of it, you are mistaken. Unless the POTUS finds a way to undo the Financial Reform Act pushed by Frank/Dodd, the banks MUST pass costs onto the consumers. The sad thing is, people like Peter Schiff warned that this would happen if Frank/Dodd was enacted. Yet, you dismiss him as nothing more than a con artist...... | |
| | | lefty Community Organizer
Posts : 193 Join date : 2011-10-07
| Subject: Re: 9-9-9 Tue Nov 01, 2011 2:52 pm | |
| as usual, youre wrong about everything pro . .
regulations do work, esp with big fines and sharp teeth
we must get deep in the biz, since theyve proven to ruin everything, poison everything in their path for a buck, and kill workers.
the manufacturing jobs are going overseas, nothing is going to stop that . . .
how about banks treat their customers fairly and honestly, at the slight expense of less profit for their stockholders . .
thats the basic difference, i believe in people over businesses . . you dont
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| | | fatbass Activist
Posts : 767 Join date : 2010-05-29 Location : Bryant-Denny Stadium. ROLL TIDE ROLL!
| Subject: Re: 9-9-9 Tue Nov 01, 2011 4:17 pm | |
| Reading lefty's posts is like listening to Miss Piggy do play by play of a football game. | |
| | | lefty Community Organizer
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| Subject: Re: 9-9-9 Tue Nov 01, 2011 4:20 pm | |
| ahahahh well as insults go, i like it
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| | | proutdoors Lobbyist
Posts : 1069 Join date : 2010-05-29 Age : 57 Location : Gunnison Valley
| Subject: Re: 9-9-9 Tue Nov 01, 2011 9:46 pm | |
| - lefty wrote:
- regulations do work, esp with big fines and sharp teeth Really? Were there regulations in play that were supposed to prevent the likes of Madoff? Were there regulations in play to prevent the Gulf oil spill? These big fines you speak of, can you offer up a few examples of how they have made the world better?
we must get deep in the biz, since theyve proven to ruin everything, poison everything in their path for a buck, and kill workers. Pure hyperbole! This doesn't even warrant a reply...
the manufacturing jobs are going overseas, nothing is going to stop that . . .Not as long as we have stifling regulations, red tape, and 'leaders' of the Democrats like Pelosi saying the government should shut down businesses that aren't unionized.
how about banks treat their customers fairly and honestly, at the slight expense of less profit for their stockholders . . If banks were to stand on their own merits, instead of continually being bailed out, they would treat customers better, and offer better services, or they would soon be out of business. It is BECAUSE of government intervention that banks are the way they are. Yet pinheads like you want MORE government intrusion....
thats the basic difference, i believe in people over businesses . . you dont Horse shit! Tell me ONE business that isn't made up of people? ONE?!?! I believe in individuals....also known as people, while you believe in the government....also known as robbers of Liberty!
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| Subject: Re: 9-9-9 Wed Nov 02, 2011 6:00 am | |
| yes we've seen the last 30 yrs of republican policies - we've went downhill with the republican versions of taxation and regulation, now lets try 30 yrs of democratic rule . . .
and I suppose poisoning rivers, damming up salmon runs, exxon valdez, bp gulf of mexico, frracking, mountaintop removal , , off the top of my head . America is a polluted shithole, and you want to make it easier for corporations to do it . .
its called being diametrically opposed . .
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| | | proutdoors Lobbyist
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| Subject: Re: 9-9-9 Wed Nov 02, 2011 8:53 am | |
| The last 30 years have NOT been Republican policies! During the 80's the Democrats controlled BOTH Houses, during half of the 90's they did as well, and during 2 of the last 3 years they had a 'super' majority AND the White House. Even when the Republicans held a majority, and/or the White House, they implemented progressive policies, NOT conservative policies. America is a "shithole", despite THOUSANDS of regulations and immense power given to the EPA..........so killing jobs, driving up the costs of doing business have accomplished squat, and you want to double down on it. Freaking brilliant! I am curious as to what environmental damage is being done by fracking that you are opposed to....? | |
| | | lefty Community Organizer
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| Subject: Re: 9-9-9 Wed Nov 02, 2011 9:20 am | |
| theres filibuster threats, veto threats, committee paybacks, ect - its tough to pass far reaching legislation in this country . . .
it also takes some creative legislation that the super corps cant get around the rules and laws for abusing workers and the earth
your argument about the epa is as if we have 50 cops and moderate crime, then saying that 100 cops wont have any effect cause youre 'doubling down' ....... typical doublespeak . .
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Posts : 767 Join date : 2010-05-29 Location : Bryant-Denny Stadium. ROLL TIDE ROLL!
| Subject: Re: 9-9-9 Wed Nov 02, 2011 4:21 pm | |
| - lefty wrote:
- theres filibuster threats, veto threats, committee paybacks, ect - its tough to pass far reaching legislation in this country . . .
it also takes some creative legislation that the super corps cant get around the rules and laws for abusing workers and the earth
your argument about the epa is as if we have 50 cops and moderate crime, then saying that 100 cops wont have any effect cause youre 'doubling down' ....... typical doublespeak . .
lefty What workers in America are getting abused? They are all free to go elsewhere if they don't like their jobs. Since you are so concerned about the earth, I assume you walk everywhere since you don't own a car, you generate the electricity you need for your home through your own bicycle-powered generator and heat your home with dried cow dung. Am I correct? | |
| | | lefty Community Organizer
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| Subject: Re: 9-9-9 Wed Nov 02, 2011 8:58 pm | |
| Abused workers ??? havent you seen the lineup of women who claim they were harassed by herman cain?!? fhahahahha
no every job in america is great, all the benefits and time off ya could ever need, pension and helath care . . yeah sure dream on . .
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| Subject: Re: 9-9-9 Thu Nov 03, 2011 4:00 pm | |
| - lefty wrote:
- Abused workers ??? havent you seen the lineup of women who claim they were harassed by herman cain?!? fhahahahha
no every job in america is great, all the benefits and time off ya could ever need, pension and helath care . . yeah sure dream on . .
lefty I got all that. 5 of the 6 companies I've worked for since 1983 has offered those benefits. It's not that hard to get them unless you're an idiot. | |
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