Ron Paul

Ron Paul is the only legit republican candidate I would vote for otherwise it's Obama.

Travis

haha welcome to the forum Travis!

dubob wrote:

Welcome Travis. It would appear from your first post that you want to jump right in with both feet. Would you care to expound on just exactly why no other GOP candidate is ‘legit’ in your opinion? In my opinion, Dr. Paul is so far out in right field he should be the poster child for the Libertarian Party. So please, enlighten us. Inquiring minds want to know.

I disagree. Ron Paul is the ONLY Republican candidate that actually adheres to 'conservative' values/policies. What you deem "out in right field" I deem common sense. EVERY other GOP candidate supports progressive policies, and will at best slow the free fall down to 3rd world status with flawed and FAILED policies.

Ron Paul is the only candidate that actually takes the Constitution seriously and at face value. He's the only R candidate that I could vote for.

fatbass wrote:

Ron Paul is the only candidate that actually takes the Constitution seriously and at face value. He's the only R candidate that I could vote for.

I concur!

Your willingness to vote for 'anyone but Obama' shows ignorance as to the two parties being the same steaming pile of stink, just differing colors (red/blue). A vote for the likes of Perry/Romney would do NOTHING to wean this country off the crony-capitalist (crapitalism) that has strangled the economy and loaded us with massive debts and massive corruption. A progressive is a progressive, regardless of the letter at the end of his/her name. And, a progressive does ONE thing, progresses away from the Principles this nation was founded on.

Sorry, I'm not used to checking this forum on a regular basis.

Ok, the way I see it "the two parties being the same steaming pile of stink, just differing colors (red/blue)," is true. But, I think that the Dems are at least honest with people about how they vote.

Remember, it's only an entitlement if it doesn't effect you, otherwise, it's a right. Just try taking away social security or medicare and watch what happens.

But, god forbid we should fund schools our kids have already graduated from. Bailing out ANY business should be the very last thing ANY Republican would vote for, yet most did.

Look, I agree with Libertarian thought, although, there are exceptions to that. The fact that you believe Libertarians are "so far right" doesn't really make me think you know much about Libertarian ideas. I believe Ron Paul is the only Republican candidate to present a consistent philosophical political argument and stick to his guns. If the other Republican candidates are unable to accept his criticism of Reagan or his ideas on separation of church and state or drug use, etc etc, then they seem more like ideologues than presidents.

Otherwise, I'll take the current law professor president over the godfather of pizza anyday.

Travis

Paul is one scary Somalian Sumbitch!!! If he or any of his Ayn Rand clones
ever to get elected you WOULD have civil war.

dubob wrote:

While it’s true that I have not made a lifetime study of Libertarian ideas, I fairly certain that there isn’t a single political spectrum graph/compass out there that will not show Libertarian to the right of Conservative. The only political philosophy more right is that of an Anarchist. To even begin to think that you know anything about what I do or do not know about any political philosophy based on one short post on a political forum is foolhardy. Stick to what you know or believe to be the truth. And it helps if you can actually back it up with facts.

It is painfully obvious that you have no clue what libertarian ideas are. To assert that, "there isn’t a single political spectrum graph/compass out there that will not show Libertarian to the right of Conservative", is an immense display of ignorance. Libertarians oppose prohibition of drugs, is that 'right' of conservatives? Most libertarians advocate open borders, no restrictions on adults marrying other adults, is that 'right' of conservatives? When I mention conservatives, I am referring to those who claim to be conservative, such as Romney/Perry/Bachmann/Cain/GWB/Hatch/ETC.

I believe Travis was making a point with his comments about entitlements and rights. I took it as his assertion that a right/entitlement is a matter of perspective. The people occupying wall street consider the things they are demanding to be rights, while sane people know they are demanding additional entitlements.

I also see little difference between the current Regime and replacing it with a Perry or a Romney Regime. All we would be doing it is changing the mask worn by the puppet......the end result would still be big government and massive debt accumulation.

dubob wrote:

proutdoors wrote:

It is painfully obvious that you have no clue what libertarian ideas are.

That’s your opinion and you have the right to express it; no matter how lacking in fact it might be.

To assert that, "there isn’t a single political spectrum graph/compass out there that will not show Libertarian to the right of Conservative", is an immense display of ignorance.

Show me the graph/compass or a link to it.

Libertarians oppose prohibition of drugs, is that 'right' of conservatives? Most libertarians advocate open borders, no restrictions on adults marrying other adults, is that 'right' of conservatives? When I mention conservatives, I am referring to those who claim to be conservative, such as Romney/Perry/Bachmann/Cain/GWB/Hatch/ETC.

Instead of using your own convoluted ideas about what the major political philosophies mean or believe, try using the mainstream definitions available to us from a multitude of Internet sources. Your continued efforts to get us to believe that your definitions are the only true definitions are a disservice and an affront to intelligent discussions on the subject. Quit being an ass and open your mind up to the fact that your opinion isn’t the only one in the world that is correct.

I believe Travis was making a point with his comments about entitlements and rights. I took it as his assertion that a right/entitlement is a matter of perspective. The people occupying wall street consider the things they are demanding to be rights, while sane people know they are demanding additional entitlements.

And I believe that Travis has the right to defend his own statements without help/interference from you. Who made you Den Mother?

I also see little difference between the current Regime and replacing it with a Perry or a Romney Regime. All we would be doing it is changing the mask worn by the puppet......the end result would still be big government and massive debt accumulation.

That’s because you only see the forest; the trees don’t exist in your world. Sad, really.

Damn you are entertaining! You act like a 5 year old who was denied a lollipop. I base my opinion on your understanding of libertarian views on your statements. To assert that libertarians are 'right' of republicans is beyond absurd. So, either you are ignorant, or you are being dishonest. Which is it?

That you are bothered by my injecting MY opinion on what side does NOT concern me. I find you to be a thin skinned LITTLE minded person. And yes, I would say that to your face. It is you that can't see the forest, you actually think Rick Perry is a conservative. That ends any chance of credibility you ever had....

So when should I have a BBQ and yall come on over and chat?

BEER??? BERG and PRO how can anybody turn that down???

Burnt animal flesh is just a bonus... Count this Socialist in.

Yonni wrote:

So when should I have a BBQ and yall come on over and chat?

As soon as my pigs are ready to butcher. Why at the rate they are growing will be in January instead of late February like I thought......Which reminds me, are you interested in a pig now, or just in the spring? I can get 4 more at a great price right now, and i have 40+ tons of pumpkins to feed them, so the feed price right now is as good as it will get. I will even give dubob the best cuts....that's just the kind of guy I am.

dubob wrote:

proutdoors wrote:

Damn you are entertaining! You act like a 5 year old who was denied a lollipop. I base my opinion on your understanding of libertarian views on your statements. To assert that libertarians are 'right' of republicans is beyond absurd. So, either you are ignorant, or you are being dishonest. Which is it?

Neither! I’m STILL waiting for you to show me a published graph/compass that clearly substantiates your claim that Libertarians ARE NOT right of Republicans/Conservatives on the political spectrum.

That you are bothered by my injecting MY opinion on what side does NOT concern me. I find you to be a thin skinned LITTLE minded person. And yes, I would say that to your face. It is you that can't see the forest, you actually think Rick Perry is a conservative. That ends any chance of credibility you ever had....

So sayeth the Den Mother!

And as Bill O’Reilly would say, I’m giving you the last word. You’re not worth any further effort on this front.

Thanks for the offer Yonni, but I’ll pass. Pro wouldn’t listen to anything I had to say and for me to have to listen to his imbecilic political philosophy would be more pain than I could possibly stand.

Too bad you are so damn immature. I am sure we could get along just fine otherwise. Good hell, I even get along with vor in person!

As for 'proof', I already offered up amble proof when I mentioned prohibition, or do you assert that legalizing drugs is to the right of conservatives? Too funny!

So, I guess what I have to ask you dubob, is "what don't you like about Ron Paul?"

Travis

Ah, so you hate. That's the reason.

Travis

Travis32 wrote:

Ah, so you hate. That's the reason.

Travis

Travis32 wrote:

Ah, so you hate. That's the reason.

Travis

Bob doesn't really hate. He just likes getting his unconstitutional, more of the same, corporate welfare bailout spending mega-deficits from a beltway republican instead of a democrat.