To Hell with U.S. Sovereignty

Thanks again, BHO. Executive Order 12425 amendment allows INTERPOL to trump our Constitution.


"The Washington Examiner said that Obama's directive could possibly be "the most destructive blow ever struck against American constitutional civil liberties." In dissecting Obama's Executive Order 12425 the Examiner editorial board revealed that:


"First, Obama has granted Interpol the ability to operate within the territorial limits of the United States without being subject to the same constitutional restraints that apply to all domestic law enforcement agencies such as the FBI. Second, Obama has exempted Interpol's domestic facilities-including its office within the U.S. Department of Justice-from search and seizure by U.S. authorities and from disclosure of archived documents in response to Freedom of Information Act requests files by U.S. citizens.'


http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/07/a_prelude_to_global_governance.html

Did a little research here on this to make sure that this in fact legit, and it is people. Scary, but again, I am not surprised one bit.....

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This should enrage the masses, but it will never get reported by The MSM. Then again, even if it did get reported most folks would simply ignore the facts. Apathy is destroying our great nation. We are witnessing the destruction of our country by a bunch of power hungry thugs who know that most Americans don't have the stomach to try and stop them. What must a nation do to regain its sovereignty and stop The Enemies Within? See Ether 8:18-26. Still applicable for non-believers who think it's simply a nice story. Indeed, Awaken to your awful situation. I don't often post scriptural references, but what the heck...why not? I really don't care if you agree with me or not.

The Declaration of Independence has already been repealed. Do you remember this?

http://www.dickmorris.com/blog/2009/04/06/the-declaration-of-independence-has-been-repealed/

http://www.divineconstitution.com/?p=15

gee thanks, so much for taking blood pressure meds, reading crap like this makes those meds ineffective, ARGH!

I'm waiting for vor or Pete to tell us how this is somehow innocuous.

fatbass wrote:

I'm waiting for vor or Pete to tell us how this is somehow innocuous.

Okay.

Interpol doesn't arrest people, serve warrants, have jails or launch investigations. It's an international administrative organization that serves as a liaison between police forces when certain kinds of crimes take place across international borders. They're not a police agency in the usual sense of the word — they mostly just coordinate and facilitate the back and forth communication between different police agencies located in different countries that request their assistance. For example, if Uruguay issues an arrest warrant for a murder suspect who they think has fled to say, Jamaica, Uruguay might contact Interpol to assist them in navigating the hurdles and technicalities involved in passing along the warrant to the Jamaican authorities.

Currently, there are some 70 or 80 International organizations operating in the United States that have been granted special privileges relating to customs, the courts, taxes, search and seizure, etc. These special privileges are commonly referred to as diplomatic immunity. Ronald Reagan, in 1983, granted Interpol some of these diplomatic immunities, but withheld a few regarding paying income taxes, property taxes, social security taxes, customs searches etc., because at the time, Interpol had no offices or employees stationed in the United States.

In 2004 Interpol opened a small office near the United Nations in New York to serve the members of the UN. Since Interpol routinely carries information between governments that the various governments at the UN regard as confidential, Interpol requested that they be given the same full diplomatic immunity as any other international organization engaged in international exchanges between governments.

Their request was reviewed by the George W Bush State Department, and the State Department recommended to the White House that the request be granted. President Bush, however, left office before signing the Executive Order, and Obama inherited it. Since it was a low-priority item, it took Obama a good year to get around to dealing with it.

In essence, all the change to the Reagan executive order does is formalize an arraignment with Interpol that enables Interpol to conduct business at the UN in a way that reassures the various governments that have representatives at the UN that the US isn't going to intercept or seize their confidential documents from Interpol personnel. It also means that they don't have to pay most US taxes.

Like I said, Interpol is just an administrative organizations that facilitates communication between law enforcement organization located in different countries that request their assistance. They don't initiate anything. This new Obama administrative order doesn't give Interpol any rights to break US law — it just grants them the same diplomatic immunity that dozens of other international organizations already have.

Disagree with the UN, argue that it shouldn't be in New York, object to the whole concept of diplomatic immunity or think that there should be no facilitator like Interpol helping government police forces communicate with each other. I'm not arguing for or against any of these things. All I'm really saying is that this new modification to Reagan's executive order is a technicality and not a big deal.

Pete wrote:

fatbass wrote:

I'm waiting for vor or Pete to tell us how this is somehow innocuous.

Okay.

Interpol doesn't arrest people, serve warrants, have jails or launch investigations. It's an international administrative organization that serves as a liaison between police forces when certain kinds of crimes take place across international borders. ...

...I'm not arguing for or against any of these things. All I'm really saying is that this new modification to Reagan's executive order is a technicality and not a big deal.

Thanks for brightening my day Pete! The whole "the Declaration of Independence has been repealed" thing was classic too, man this whole post has been a joy. Can we add a forum rule? Right after don't be a douchebag we should put, don't be a spazz.

Have any of you geniuses actually read this BITCH???

Good old Ron the same dude that you all worship that same dude that ran the debt up by 150 or so percent back in the 80's wrote this... Give it a read and let me know
how your understanding of this "travesty" works...

Trooper wrote:

Pete wrote:

fatbass wrote:

I'm waiting for vor or Pete to tell us how this is somehow innocuous.

Okay.

Interpol doesn't arrest people, serve warrants, have jails or launch investigations. It's an international administrative organization that serves as a liaison between police forces when certain kinds of crimes take place across international borders. ...

...I'm not arguing for or against any of these things. All I'm really saying is that this new modification to Reagan's executive order is a technicality and not a big deal.

Thanks for brightening my day Pete! The whole "the Declaration of Independence has been repealed" thing was classic too, man this whole post has been a joy. Can we add a forum rule? Right after don't be a douchebag we should put, don't be a spazz.

Trooper, it appears that you have broken the very rules that you hold sacred. So, you want to draw first blood by taking cheap shots? I’m always happy to return the favor. In you, I see an arrogant, libtard who can’t handle the truth about his progressive/socialist/Marxist heroes in the current administration. Consequently, not much seems to have changed over time where you are concerned. Now, I suppose that you’ll cry foul for getting something in return…liberals are so predictable.

By the way, what part of the Dick Morris article is irrelevant, in your mind, regarding the Declaration of Independence? I’ll be looking forward to your next response with great anticipation DB.

So giving an international police force that rolls to the whims of the UN immunity from taxes, American jurisprudence and Freedom Of Information Act laws is a good thing.

Unfu##inbelievable.

Allowing ANY other police entity to act within our borders is a serious breach of Constitutional law. What happens when Ahmedinejad decides to call Ban-Ki-Moon and have an American citizen arrested for "fomenting hatred" against him through a post on a website and INTERPOL locates the offender and arranges to have him brought before an international court where Sharia Law is preferred? If you don't think this is a real possibility, you've got your head up your ass.

I suppose having UN troops marching in our streets would also be a good thing.

voiceofreason wrote:

Good old Ron the same dude that you all worship that same dude that ran the debt up by 150 or so percent back in the 80's wrote this... Give it a read and let me know
how your understanding of this "travesty" works...

Feel free to tell us how great Carter was.

Reagan ushered in the great boom of the '90s by trimming back government and there's no other way to paint that one.

See my post above and tell me how you love other countries spying on you without the restraints that our Constitution provides. I'll be waiting for your response...

In the interim, I'll be re-reading this funny little gem from Chuck Norris:

http://townhall.com/columnists/ChuckNorris/2010/07/27/obamas_us_assassination_program

A little background on Interpol from Wiki:

The first significant move towards creating Interpol was in 1914 at the First International Criminal Police Congress. Police officers, lawyers and magistrates from 14 countries gathered in Monaco to discuss arrest procedures, identification techniques, centralized international criminal records and extradition proceedings.[6] However World War I delayed this initiative and it was not until 1923 that Interpol was founded in Austria as the International Criminal Police (ICP). Following the Anschluss (Austria's annexation by Nazi Germany) in 1938, the organization fell under the control of Nazi Germany and the Commission's headquarters were eventually moved to Berlin in 1942. It is unclear, however, if and to what extent the ICPC files were used to further the goals of the Nazi regime. However, from 1938 to 1945, the presidents of Interpol included Otto Steinhäusl (a general in the SS), Reinhard Heydrich (a general in the SS, and chair of the Wannsee Conference that appointed Heydrich the chief executor of the "Final solution to the Jewish question"), Arthur Nebe (a general in the SS, and Einsatzgruppen leader, under whose command at least 46,000 people were killed), and Ernst Kaltenbrunner (a general in the SS, the highest ranking SS officer executed after the Nuremberg Trial).

Apparently Carter was about 160% Better than "The Gipper" At least economically...
What Ronnie did to the middle class was pure genius right??? Re distribute wealth up
to the Hollywood elite and the have mores was a great thing right??

Chuck Norris has taken one to many head shots...

How in the hell is Interpol going to EXTRADITE A U.S. Citizen to Iran???
Do you think any cowering politician would ever in a million years make that deal????

Don't let the LITTLE FACT OF WHAT IS CALLED AN EXTRADITION TREATY GET IN THE WAY OF YOUR FANTASY..

Hell of a try though... Please put the tin foil helmet back on. Keep an eye to the sky for the always present silent black helicopters... Art Bell is on line 1

Tell me again how much you loved Carter.

Reagan's economy got me a great series of jobs from medium to large corporations which allowed me to purchase my first home and begin my savings/retirement program. You see, anyone willing to work could do the same in that economic environment. It was the lazy, over-educated gubmint worker wanna-bes that were hurt by Reagan. Anyone with brains knew how to invest in the blossoming economy and raise their own stature. I will always be indebted to that marvelous man.

And we are only one "crisis" away from martial law/ UN control/ lawlessness and all of your sniffling leftist faux enlightenment won't change that. Black helicopters don't scare me. Smug Marxists such as yourself who are willing to believe in "share the wealth", "steal from the ambitious", "kill the goose that's laying the golden eggs", scare me.

fatbass wrote:

So giving an international police force that rolls to the whims of the UN immunity from taxes, American jurisprudence and Freedom Of Information Act laws is a good thing.

Interpol does not act on behalf of the UN. Interpol is an international agency that facilitates the transfer of information between two or more governments that request their administrative services. It's an international organization whose sole function is to facilitate expedited communication between two or more police agencies in different countries that request their help as an intermediary when very specific sorts of crimes occur that span country borders. They certainly don't have the authority to break any laws in this or any other country.

fatbass wrote:

Allowing ANY other police entity to act within our borders is a serious breach of Constitutional law. What happens when Ahmedinejad decides to call Ban-Ki-Moon and have an American citizen arrested for "fomenting hatred" against him through a post on a website and INTERPOL locates the offender and arranges to have him brought before an international court where Sharia Law is preferred?

"Fomenting hatred" isn't a crime that Interpol gets involved with, and Interpol does not make arrests, in any case. The list of criminal activities on which they act in an intermediary capacity is very specific. But if Ahmedinejad requested that Interpol pass along a request to arrest someone in the United States, Interpol would take that request to the appropriate authorities in the US, and the US authorities would choose whether or not to act on it. Interpol does not have the authority to act independently in these matters, and there's no record of them ever having done so. Interpol is basically a staff of about 600 letter and document carriers located in various offices around the world.

Interpol is only authorized to work on the UN's behalf when passing along notices regarding targets of UN sanctions against the Taliban and Al Qaeda. Even then, Interpol has no authority to do anything other than help coordinate the communication between various Interpol member countries.

Interpol, once again, is an administrative agency that acts on behalf of two or more consenting governments when its help is requested by those governments. Any of the 185 Interpol member countries can request Interpol's assistance in contacting the appropriate authorities in other countries. For example, we have no formal diplomatic relationships with Cuba, but if a Cuban murderer somehow ends up in Miami, Cuba can request that Interpol act at the intermediary to pass information to the U.S. authorities. It would be totally up to the U.S. authorities whether or not they chose to act on Cuba's request. Another example would be if a terrorist blew up a train in, say, Greece and the Greek authorities had reason to believe the terrorist had left the country, the Greek government could ask Interpol to alert various governments around the world and pass along whatever information they might have to help the authorities in the other countries capture the terrorist. Another example: if the FBI had good reason to believe that a wanted drug kingpin was attending a meeting in Asuncion, Paraguay, the FBI quite likely doesn't have the necessary knowledge to efficiently work with the Asuncion police, so they contact Interpol, who then relays the request to Interpol in South America, who then facilities the communication between the FBI and the Paraguayan authorities.

Interpol is not an independent police force that operates clandestinely inside the borders of another country. Interpol's sole purpose is to act as an intermediary between two countries that request their services to help coordinate the efforts of the respective police agencies.

fatbass wrote:

I suppose having UN troops marching in our streets would also be a good thing.

You supposed wrong.

fatbass wrote:

If you don't think this is a real possibility, you've got your head up your ass.

If you're going to engage in insults, our conversation is over.

fatbass wrote:

Following the Anschluss (Austria's annexation by Nazi Germany) in 1938, the organization fell under the control of Nazi Germany and the Commission's headquarters were eventually moved to Berlin in 1942. It is unclear, however, if and to what extent the ICPC files were used to further the goals of the Nazi regime....

Every agency in every Nazi-occupied country in Europe fell under the control of the Nazis during World War II. Are you suggesting that Interpol is still under the influence of the the Reichsführer-SS?

Facts, Reality and common sense have no place in a good old fashioned paranoid fantasy!!!

Reagan is for another thread

Pete wrote:

fatbass wrote:

Following the Anschluss (Austria's annexation by Nazi Germany) in 1938, the organization fell under the control of Nazi Germany and the Commission's headquarters were eventually moved to Berlin in 1942. It is unclear, however, if and to what extent the ICPC files were used to further the goals of the Nazi regime....

Every agency in every Nazi-occupied country in Europe fell under the control of the Nazis during World War II. Are you suggesting that Interpol is still under the influence of the the Reichsführer-SS?

I'm strongly suggesting that the web of Interpol can quickly be subverted and used for nefarious means. Can you not see the possibilities if and when a lame-duck, power-hungry Marxist suddenly declares Martial Law in America and takes outright control of every means at his disposal?

I'm completely serious here.

Dude!!!! Seriously, are you drunk??????

fatbass wrote:

I'm strongly suggesting that the web of Interpol can quickly be subverted and used for nefarious means. Can you not see the possibilities if and when a lame-duck, power-hungry Marxist suddenly declares Martial Law in America and takes outright control of every means at his disposal?

I'm completely serious here.

Interpol is basically a diplomatic service whose members serve as envoys between various governments' law enforcement agencies. I'm not too concerned about a 600-strong group of document handlers running amuck — especially given that they only have a staff of less than a dozen people stationed in the U.S.

As for your scenario of a lame-duck, power-hungry Marxist suddenly declaring martial law, well, that would be a very bad thing (a gross understatement). But even if that happened, how would this hypothetical Marxist dictator gain power over an international agency that isn't even headquartered in the U.S.? I'd be considerably more concerned about this dictator having control over the U.S. military and the FBI than I would with him taking over an office of eight or nine paper-shuffling Interpol workers in New York.

http://www.newscorpse.com/ncWP/?p=1598


OMFG!!!!!!!!!! Here they come!!!!!!! Run BASSY RUN!!!!!!!!!

voiceofreason wrote:

http://www.newscorpse.com/ncWP/?p=1598

Seriously?? You just used the same link on another thread..... It is actually in context here though.......

Thanks for the read BTW.

Willy that Masterpiece of Ultra Rightwing Paranoia is so awesome I'm thinking of getting it inked on my ass!!!!

voiceofreason wrote:

http://www.newscorpse.com/ncWP/?p=1598

Your link lead me to something even more deeply disturbing: http://www.newscorpse.com/ncWP/?p=1546

Here's the original story in WorldNetDaily: http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=123758