The Sovereign People's Movement?

In case you aren't aware there have been demonstrations all over the country against Wall Street and the banking industry. I found the "manifesto" of sorts, the radical's demands. Here they are. Discuss!

"Below is a list of proposed "DEMANDS FOR CONGRESS":

"The Sovereign People's Movement, represented nationally through the people occupying the various Liberty Square locations across this great country, have laid out and democratically submitted and are currently voting on the list of following Demands to then be distilled into one Unified Common demand of the people."

"Participate in Democracy and Vote Here to Have Your Voice Heard"


LIST OF PROPOSED "DEMANDS FOR CONGRESS"CONGRESS PASS HR 1489 ("RETURN TO PRUDENT BANKING ACT" http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h112-1489 ). THIS REINSTATES MANY PROVISIONS OF THE GLASS-STEAGALL ACT. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass–Steagall_Act --- Wiki entry summary: The repeal of provisions of the Glass–Steagall Act of 1933 by the Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act in 1999 effectively removed the separation that previously existed between investment banking which issued securities and commercial banks which accepted deposits. The deregulation also removed conflict of interest prohibitions between investment bankers serving as officers of commercial banks. Most economists believe this repeal directly contributed to the severity of the Financial crisis of 2007–2011 by allowing Wall Street investment banking firms to gamble with their depositors' money that was held in commercial banks owned or created by the investment firms. Here's detail on repeal in 1999 and how it happened: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass–Steagall_Act#Repeal . Vote Here #1

USE CONGRESSIONAL AUTHORITY AND OVERSIGHT TO ENSURE APPROPRIATE FEDERAL AGENCIES FULLY INVESTIGATE AND PROSECUTE THE WALL STREET CRIMINALS who clearly broke the law and helped cause the 2008 financial crisis in the following notable cases: (insert list of the most clear cut criminal actions). There is a pretty broad consensus that there is a clear group of people who got away with millions / billions illegally and haven't been brought to justice. Boy would this be long overdue and cathartic for millions of Americans. It would also be a shot across the bow for the financial industry. If you watch the solidly researched and awared winning documentary film "Inside Job" that was narrated by Matt Damon (pretty brave Matt!) and do other research, it wouldn't take long to develop the list. Vote Here #2

CONGRESS ENACT LEGISLATION TO PROTECT OUR DEMOCRACY BY REVERSING THE EFFECTS OF THE CITIZENS UNITED SUPREME COURT DECISION which essentially said corporations can spend as much as they want on elections. The result is that corporations can pretty much buy elections. Corporations should be highly limited in ability to contribute to political campaigns no matter what the election and no matter what the form of media. This legislation should also RE-ESTABLISH THE PUBLIC AIRWAVES IN THE U.S. SO THAT POLITICAL CANDIDATES ARE GIVEN EQUAL TIME FOR FREE AT REASONABLE INTERVALS IN DAILY PROGRAMMING DURING CAMPAIGN SEASON. The same should extend to other media. Vote Here #3

CONGRESS PASS THE BUFFETT RULE ON FAIR TAXATION SO THE RICH AND CORPORATIONS PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE & CLOSE CORPORATE TAX LOOP HOLES AND ENACT A PROHIBITION ON HIDING FUNDS OFF SHORE. No more GE paying zero or negative taxes. Pass the Buffet Rule on fair taxation so the rich pay their fair share. (If we have a really had a good negotiating position and have the place surrounded, we could actually dial up taxes on millionaires, billionaires and corporations even higher...back to what they once were in the 50's and 60's.Vote Here #4

CONGRESS COMPLETELY REVAMP THE SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION and staff it at all levels with proven professionals who get the job done protecting the integrity of the marketplace so citizens and investors are both protected. This agency needs a large staff and needs to be well-funded. It's currently has a joke of a budget and is run by Wall St. insiders who often leave for high ticket cushy jobs with the corporations they were just regulating. Hmmm. Vote Here #5

CONGRESS PASS SPECIFIC AND EFFECTIVE LAWS LIMITING THE INFLUENCE OF LOBBYISTS AND ELIMINATING THE PRACTICE OF LOBBYISTS WRITING LEGISLATION THAT ENDS UP ON THE FLOOR OF CONGRESS. Vote Here #6

CONGRESS PASSING "Revolving Door Legislation" LEGISLATION ELIMINATING THE ABILITY OF FORMER GOVERNMENT REGULATORS GOING TO WORK FOR CORPORATIONS THAT THEY ONCE REGULATED. So, you don't get to work at the FDA for five years playing softball with Pfizer and then go to work for Pfizer making $195,000 a year. While they're at it, Congress should pass specific and effective laws to enforce strict judicial standards of conduct in matters concerning conflicts of interest. So long as judges are culled from the ranks of corporate attorneys the 1% will retain control. Vote Here #7

ELIMINATE "PERSONHOOD" LEGAL STATUS FOR CORPORATIONS. The film "The Corporation" has a great section on how corporations won "personhood status". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SuUzmqBewg . Fast-forward to 2:20. It'll blow your mind. The 14th amendment was supposed to give equal rights to African Americans. It said you "can't deprive a person of life, liberty or property without due process of law". Corporation lawyers wanted corporations to have more power so they basically said "corporations are people." Amazingly, between 1890 and 1910 there were 307 cases brought before the court under the 14th amendment. 288 of these brought by corporations and only 19 by African Americans. 600,000 people were killed to get rights for people and then judges applied those rights to capital and property while stripping them from people. It's time to set this straight. Vote Here #8"

AMEN!!!

the movement is spreading, it will be interesting to see if anything comes of it . .

its great to see Americans out protesting

lefty

voiceofreason wrote:

AMEN!!!

Yes, I see their/your logic. The government caused the problems, and now they should be able to fix them, right? Talk about insanity!

lefty wrote:

the movement is spreading, it will be interesting to see if anything comes of it . .

its great to see Americans out protesting

lefty

Curious, did you/do you, feel the same about the Tea Party? If not, why not?

proutdoors wrote:

Curious, did you/do you, feel the same about the Tea Party? If not, why not?

NO - the tea parties were political rallies, not a protest movement. I saw the tea party as a bunch of middle aged white folks, whining that they had lost the election, and they decided to rally to protest that their tax rate was the lowest in 50 years! In my mind they all had watched too many episodes of 'cops', and are afraid the 'dark people' are ruining their finger pointing way of life . .


lefty

lefty wrote:

proutdoors wrote:

Curious, did you/do you, feel the same about the Tea Party? If not, why not?

NO - the tea parties were political rallies, not a protest movement. I saw the tea party as a bunch of middle aged white folks, whining that they had lost the election, and they decided to rally to protest that their tax rate was the lowest in 50 years! In my mind they all had watched too many episodes of 'cops', and are afraid the 'dark people' are ruining their finger pointing way of life . .


lefty

So, you're trying to tell me the flea party is not a political rally? All the tea party rallies were mere get togethers to elect a select few? Interesting...... And, it was a bunch of middle-aged 'white folks' that were sore losers, who were acting like babies over how much they pay in taxes? Okay, how many tea party events did you attend, or did you draw these 'insightful' conclusions via news clips? I am 44, which means I was 41 when I attended my 1st tea party rally. In your opinion, am I middle-aged? Are you aware that the 1st tea party rallies occurred BEFORE Obama was elected? As for this flea party you are so fond of, how many 'middle-aged' white folk are there? How many hippies from the 60's protests are there and are the major planners of these events? Does the main puppet master behind this movement. George Soros, qualify as a middle-aged white person, or is he just an old spooky RICH Jew killing America hater?

"Does the main puppet master behind this movement. George Soros, qualify as a middle-aged white person, or is he just an old spooky RICH Jew killing America hater?"

Same question back at ya with the Koch crew, Fox, Palin, Limbaugh, Hannity ETC.

You can keep trying to pin the economic meltdown on Govt. involvement. I'll keep pinning it on the Corporate CRIMINALS that, through lack of regulations, greed, corruption at all levels and profit above morals ideology.

Still have not seen any charges filed against any of these de-regulated free marketeers either.

Now you have an accurate list ( not the fantasy Koch / Fox News spun shit you had on your FB wall ) What is your issue with any of the above??

lotta racist freaks in the tea party . .. not all but a lot, its pretty bad when conservatives dump on equality, worker rights, and constitutional values like freedom from religion
. . not like theres any big thunderbolts here, the republicans are the white mans party

lefty

lefty wrote:

lotta racist freaks in the tea party . .. not all but a lot, its pretty bad when conservatives dump on equality, worker rights, and constitutional values like freedom from religion
. . not like theres any big thunderbolts here, the republicans are the white mans party

lefty

that right there is racist, how do you explain Herman Cain, Allen West, and many more folks who are not "White Men"

I would venture to say the folks like Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, and the majority of dems are much more racist than anybody in the tea party.

Yonni wrote:

that right there is racist, how do you explain Herman Cain, Allen West, and many more folks who are not "White Men"

have you ever know any bigots that, if they had one black guy they knew, theyd spout, "see i've got a black friend, im no racist!" ..or "see, i talk to orientals, im not prejudiced" . . well herman cain is that black friend, hes the card people can now pull to say the republicans, or tea party arent racist . .but I dont think the black comm, or the asian comm, or the latino comm see the republicans as having their interests at heart. . .thats why they dont vote for repubs . ..

lefty

lefty wrote:

Yonni wrote:

that right there is racist, how do you explain Herman Cain, Allen West, and many more folks who are not "White Men"

have you ever know any bigots that, if they had one black guy they knew, theyd spout, "see i've got a black friend, im no racist!" ..or "see, i talk to orientals, im not prejudiced" . . well herman cain is that black friend, hes the card people can now pull to say the republicans, or tea party arent racist . .but I dont think the black comm, or the asian comm, or the latino comm see the republicans as having their interests at heart. . .thats why they dont vote for repubs . ..

lefty

that is pretty shallow, and false and you know it, so are you calling me a bigot then?

What a load of horse apples! Lefty needs to change his/her name to douchebag. There is NO proof that republicans are more racist than democrats. In fact, I contend the opposite is true. Why you ask? Mainstream democrat policies are extremely harmful to minorities, specifically blacks. From affirmative action, to minimum wage, to the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA), to abortion. FYI, abortions pioneer, Margret Sanger, was one of the biggest bigots to ever live in this country. She was a card carrying democrat, 'inspired' Hillary Clinton, and started Planned Parenthood, the beacon entity of democrats. Do some research on this peach of a lady. Then we can discuss the racist Woodrow Wilson, Lindon B Johnson, or the black democrats that hold blacks down such as Jesse Jackson, Jesse Jackson Jr., Al Sharpton, Maxine Waters, Jeremiah Wright, and Van Jones.

I expect the same dodging of my questions here as in other threads......but what the hell. Can you tell me what issues the tea party stands for that are racist? I will settle for one......

Yonni wrote:

that is pretty shallow, and false and you know it, so are you calling me a bigot then?

no of course not, im just saying having a black guy running for the repub nomination doesnt make the gop 'the party of minorities" hahahahha

lefty

proutdoors wrote:

I expect the same dodging of my questions here as in other threads......but what the hell. Can you tell me what issues the tea party stands for that are racist? I will settle for one......

oh cmon, its all about entitlements, entitlements, , entitlements, the tea party has racist elements - i didnt say the tea party was a racist organization . .. and the tea party is just the most radical racist freaks of the republicans, not an actual party

lefty

proutdoors wrote:

What a load of horse apples! Lefty needs to change his/her name to douchebag. There is NO proof that republicans are more racist than democrats. In fact, I contend the opposite is true. Why you ask? Mainstream democrat policies are extremely harmful to minorities, specifically blacks. From affirmative action, to minimum wage, to the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA), to abortion. FYI, abortions pioneer, Margret Sanger, was one of the biggest bigots to ever live in this country. She was a card carrying democrat, 'inspired' Hillary Clinton, and started Planned Parenthood, the beacon entity of democrats. Do some research on this peach of a lady. Then we can discuss the racist Woodrow Wilson, Lindon B Johnson, or the black democrats that hold blacks down such as Jesse Jackson, Jesse Jackson Jr., Al Sharpton, Maxine Waters, Jeremiah Wright, and Van Jones.

hahhah since blacks voted democrat 96% in the last pres election, it seems they dont share your views on whats harmful to their community . . .

From coast to coast and North to South, the Occupy Wall Street protest against corporate greed that started out with a few young people in a lower Manhattan park grew to vocal thousands with weekend rallies in about two dozen states and supporters joining in from Canada and overseas.


woo hoooo keep it up - power to the people - corporations are not people - people matter as much as profits

http://news.yahoo.com/thousands-join-nyc-protest-against-corporate-greed-081547947.html

lefty

Classy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeuGx8PplAo

Not only does Obama support these Occupy protesters but so do these guys
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/10/figures-nazi-party-throws-support-behind-occupy-wall-street-movement/

What about racism there lefty?

Yonni wrote:

Classy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeuGx8PplAo

Not only does Obama support these Occupy protesters but so do these guys
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/10/figures-nazi-party-throws-support-behind-occupy-wall-street-movement/

What about racism there lefty?

ridiculous argument, just because some nasty individuals are for the occupy movement, doesnt change the worthiness of the issues at discussion or the movement. . namely american workers rights and retirement, and the hold of big money on both parties . .



lefty

lefty wrote:

proutdoors wrote:

I expect the same dodging of my questions here as in other threads......but what the hell. Can you tell me what issues the tea party stands for that are racist? I will settle for one......

oh cmon, its all about entitlements, entitlements, , entitlements, the tea party has racist elements - i didnt say the tea party was a racist organization . .. and the tea party is just the most radical racist freaks of the republicans, not an actual party

lefty

You make no sense. First you link the tea party to the GOP, now you are saying its not an actual party, which is it? Since you keep finding ways to avoid answering ONE damn question, you are in reality admitting you are full of shit! You can't come up with ONE example to back up your venomous claim that the tea party is "the most radical racist freaks of the republicans", not a damn ONE! What "racist elements exist within the tea party movement? Is it the demand for an immediate stoppage of welfare, individual AND corporate? Maybe it is the demand for lower taxes for ALL, that is surely racist, right? I contend affirmative action is far more racist, as it by its existence implies a lack of faith in black people being capable of being judged by the content of their character and therefore must be judged by the color of their skin. I am not sure, but is that the dream Martin Luther King had?

lefty wrote:

proutdoors wrote:

What a load of horse apples! Lefty needs to change his/her name to douchebag. There is NO proof that republicans are more racist than democrats. In fact, I contend the opposite is true. Why you ask? Mainstream democrat policies are extremely harmful to minorities, specifically blacks. From affirmative action, to minimum wage, to the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA), to abortion. FYI, abortions pioneer, Margret Sanger, was one of the biggest bigots to ever live in this country. She was a card carrying democrat, 'inspired' Hillary Clinton, and started Planned Parenthood, the beacon entity of democrats. Do some research on this peach of a lady. Then we can discuss the racist Woodrow Wilson, Lindon B Johnson, or the black democrats that hold blacks down such as Jesse Jackson, Jesse Jackson Jr., Al Sharpton, Maxine Waters, Jeremiah Wright, and Van Jones.

hahhah since blacks voted democrat 96% in the last pres election, it seems they dont share your views on whats harmful to their community . . .

Promise handouts, and promise things you have NO intention of even attempting to keep, along with having black 'leaders' calling for policies that have proven, REPEATEDLY, to hurt blacks, and the "hope" that they will finally realize the American dream, and you can see why the black population is in the mess they are in. Tell me, what has Obama done that has helped the black community since taking residence at 1600 Penn? Care to address the Planned Parenthood quagmire I mentioned, or will you avoid answering this like EVERY other question I have asked?

lefty wrote:

From coast to coast and North to South, the Occupy Wall Street protest against corporate greed that started out with a few young people in a lower Manhattan park grew to vocal thousands with weekend rallies in about two dozen states and supporters joining in from Canada and overseas.


woo hoooo keep it up - power to the people - corporations are not people - people matter as much as profits

http://news.yahoo.com/thousands-join-nyc-protest-against-corporate-greed-081547947.html

lefty

Do you really believe this movement started so 'organically'? If so, I have some beach front property in the Yukon to sale.......

lefty wrote:

just because some nasty individuals are for the occupy movement, doesnt change the worthiness of the issues at discussion or the movement. . namely american workers rights and retirement, and the hold of big money on both parties . .



lefty

WTF? You want to dismiss/belittle the entire tea party movement for "some nasty individuals" that ALLEGEDLY have attended tea party rallies, but no one should question the PROVEN whack jobs at/behind the flea party. What flavor of punch are you drinking? What American workers rights does this lovely 'organic' movement stand for? How many of those in attendance are venting anger/threats toward democrats? This movement is NOT about making America better, it certainly is NOT about restoring her to her former greatness. It is about turning her into a 3rd world country, with poverty and misery "equally shared" by all.

proutdoors wrote:

lefty wrote:

proutdoors wrote:

I expect the same dodging of my questions here as in other threads......but what the hell. Can you tell me what issues the tea party stands for that are racist? I will settle for one......

oh cmon, its all about entitlements, entitlements, , entitlements, the tea party has racist elements - i didnt say the tea party was a racist organization . .. and the tea party is just the most radical racist freaks of the republicans, not an actual party

lefty

You make no sense. First you link the tea party to the GOP, now you are saying its not an actual party, which is it? Since you keep finding ways to avoid answering ONE damn question, you are in reality admitting you are full of shit! You can't come up with ONE example to back up your venomous claim that the tea party is "the most radical racist freaks of the republicans", not a damn ONE! What "racist elements exist within the tea party movement? Is it the demand for an immediate stoppage of welfare, individual AND corporate? Maybe it is the demand for lower taxes for ALL, that is surely racist, right? I contend affirmative action is far more racist, as it by its existence implies a lack of faith in black people being capable of being judged by the content of their character and therefore must be judged by the color of their skin. I am not sure, but is that the dream Martin Luther King had?

i can look at a crowd of dumbass cracker losers and hear their racist talk, and make my own inferences, thank you very much . . .

lefty


ps and lets not mention the spitting incident and the racist signage . .. oh yeah the stinkin racists are real clever . . .