Ron Paul's first 100 days

Military is disbanded except for Coast Guard and National Guard.
( Iran starts building nukes )

Drug war ends. Crack dealers make enough dough to qualify for the top 1% effective tax rate of 15%.
( Warren Buffet is replaced by Pablo Escobar )
( Sanpete Co. Farmers trade livestock for poppy and mary jane crops )

Strict adherence to word for word interpretation of the Constitution and BOR.
( Tyrell the Crack Dealer buys a couple nukes from Iran and exercises his 2nd amendment rights )

Drill Baby Drill kicks in.
( SFW AUCTIONS 5,000 General Season Deer Tags, splitting the proceeds with Exxon, B.P. and Shell for access to all of Utah's once public lands )

Medicare, Medicade and SS go away
( Don't get sick after you retire at 80 Cause Ron ain't got nothing for your old ass, just hurry up and die )

^ Hyperbole

hy·per·bo·le   [hahy-pur-buh-lee]
noun Rhetoric .
1.obvious and intentional exaggeration.
2.an extravagant statement or figure of speech not intended to be taken literally, as “to wait an eternity.”

Straw man
A straw man is a component of an argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.[1] To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by replacing it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.

VOR I would like to give you many thanks for providing continuous examples of hyperbole and straw man arguments! Glad to see you posting again

HA HA Whatever dude!!! Make up your mind.

You have been driveling on and on about ending;
1. all wars
2. the war on drugs
3. entitlements
4. and your wish to sink wells in every meadow on public land

Talk about Obama being the Messiah?!?! Damn

voiceofreason wrote:

HA HA Whatever dude!!! Make up your mind.

You have been driveling on and on about ending;
1. all wars
2. the war on drugs
3. entitlements
4. and your wish to sink wells in every meadow on public land

Talk about Obama being the Messiah?!?! Damn

What do you think I am flip=flopping on? Oh, and you are WRONG about #4, I want to get rid of 99.99% of all public land......pay attention bunny humper!

This for some odd reason has given me the idea to have a forum Not CNN debate, me being the moderator and VOR will be debating Pro.

1st question goes to Pro: Moderator Proutdoors there seems to be some question of you may be "flip-flopping" on the issue of the need to go to war, will you tell us why someone would do such a thing?

Only rule: do not answer the question and give a long winded statement about bunny humpers and their lack of rights in this country.

/sarcasm

I wouldn't necessarily say that you are a Romney flip flopper... I'd say it's more of actually seeing Paul's lunacy in black and white that you can't grasp..


"I want to get rid of 99.99% of all public land......pay attention bunny humper!"

The above statement is exactly why YOUR KIND scares the shit out of me.

Sooner or later one of your PRIVATIZE EVERYTHING idiots is going to get elected and the damage will be irreversible.. Ask a hunter how privitazing Utah's Big Game herds has worked out.

Yonni wrote:

1st question goes to Pro: Moderator Proutdoors there seems to be some question of you may be "flip-flopping" on the issue of the need to go to war, will you tell us why someone would do such a thing?

The only reason I can come up with: this someone is a moron.......

voiceofreason wrote:

"I want to get rid of 99.99% of all public land......pay attention bunny humper!"

The above statement is exactly why YOUR KIND scares the shit out of me.

Sooner or later one of your PRIVATIZE EVERYTHING idiots is going to get elected and the damage will be irreversible.. Ask a hunter how privitazing Utah's Big Game herds has worked out.

This is what most progressives/socialists do, they bastardize something, and then claim the 'free market' or 'privatization' doesn't work. Having an entity, such as wildlife, be 'public', and have it on 'public' land, then have private entities manipulate said public entity on public land.....and then show this as an example of why privatization doesn't work. Cloward and Piven would be proud! Do a little research on American history, and tell me when did the federal government become large land owners, when did they start controlling the majority of the land within states, for that matter; when did they start purchasing and retaining land? You act as if the federal government has always owned the majority of land in the 50 states, which is simply NOT true. I know progressive piss hats like Teddy Roosevelt are heroes of yours, but WTFU and have some clue about a subject before bloviating about it!

So when it was LIBERTARIAN FREE REIGN on buffalo by MARKET HUNTER$$$ and Elitists
shooting from trains, the plan worked as well as when the SOCIALIST Indians were keeping watch on the herds??

Bullshit PRO Give me a f@#&^%$ break... It's laughable hearing you trying to justify this crock of shit...


AND if President like the Roosevelt's didn't step up With the LACEY ACT and PITTMAN-ROBERTSON ACT
Where in the hell would we be today??? More shitty Govt. Regulations that ARE ALL ALWAYS BAD. Teddy set aside MILLIONS and MILLIONS of acres of AMERICAN SOIL for AMERICANS... PERIOD. Not the 1% Not those happening to be born
with the lucky last name FOR AMERICANS.. I only wish he would have quadrupled the amount he did set aside.

voiceofreason wrote:

So when it was LIBERTARIAN FREE REIGN on buffalo by MARKET HUNTER$$$ and Elitists
shooting from trains, the plan worked as well as when the SOCIALIST Indians were keeping watch on the herds??

Bullshit PRO Give me a f@#&^%$ break... It's laughable hearing you trying to justify this crock of shit...


AND if President like the Roosevelt's didn't step up With the LACEY ACT and PITTMAN-ROBERTSON ACT
Where in the hell would we be today??? More shitty Govt. Regulations that ARE ALL ALWAYS BAD. Teddy set aside MILLIONS and MILLIONS of acres of AMERICAN SOIL for AMERICANS... PERIOD. Not the 1% Not those happening to be born
with the lucky last name FOR AMERICANS.. I only wish he would have quadrupled the amount he did set aside.

Spoken like a good little minion....and you wonder why this nation is $15 trillion in debt....with brain dead zombies like you running around, what other outcome would be possible?

You make no sense, and your assertions on both the hunters and the Indians is bullshit. But hey, don't let facts and reality get in the way of hyperbole, right?

How can it be B.S. when it's recorded HISTORY??? HA HA none of that happened cause PRO said it didn't!!! HA HA!! Pay no attention to the slaughter...

Do you know what a punt gun is??? How'd those work out in the hands
of un regulated market hunters?? Notice a trend??

voiceofreason wrote:

How can it be B.S. when it's recorded HISTORY??? HA HA none of that happened cause PRO said it didn't!!! HA HA!! Pay no attention to the slaughter...

Do you know what a punt gun is??? How'd those work out in the hands
of un regulated market hunters?? Notice a trend??

Are you really this dense? First, I never said the events didn't happen, I am contending they didn't happen the way, or because of, you implied they did. You try and paint a picture of capitalism doing nothing but bad, and socialism doing nothing but good. THAT is what I am disputing....can you grasp that, or do I need to have a coot dumb it down some more for you?

I'm not saying that free market capitalism is always bad.. Never had.

I'm saying that those, like yourself, that attack Society based ( Socialistic ) programs as always being bad, attach the socialism label to anything and everything are the problem.

Look man there are some things that are always worth the price tag. There are some things that should be held as part of the public trust. Public lands, wildlife, air and water are prime examples.

To bring this back to the original intent of this thread, about electing that lunatic Paul. IMHO more division, more individualism is exactly what this country DOES NOT need. He represeents the extreme and his policies will have long term disasterous effects.

voiceofreason wrote:

To bring this back to the original intent of this thread, about electing that lunatic Paul. IMHO more division, more individualism is exactly what this country DOES NOT need. He represeents the extreme and his policies will have long term disasterous effects.

But Obama is THE MOST polarizing president ever, why would RP be any worse?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/post/obama-the-most-polarizing-president-ever/2012/01/29/gIQAmmkBbQ_blog.html

And that rests squarely with Barry O???

My ass!!!

voiceofreason wrote:

And that rests squarely with Barry O???

My ass!!!

He hasn't helped one bit, I never said that rested squarely on our current president, but he hasn't been one bit bipartisan that he promised to be during his election. Will you answer my previous question?

I don't see how anybody that gets elected could be any worse...The environment is toxic.

What would help is all of the negativity going away. If a Repub gets elected
you will see all of the media like fox and the Koch clones start proclaiming sunshine and lolipops. Ya never hear anything about the tax cut Obama pushed through, you only hear bad things about cutting defense spending
the guy can't win for losing. No matter what he does.

My biggest gripe with Obama is that he has never had the balls to push anything through without trying to be partisan. He is playing right in to the GOP
mandate of nothing but pure failure for his term. Obamacare being the exception.

If he had actually done more than one thing NEW I would maybe have a different opinion.

voiceofreason wrote:

I don't see how anybody that gets elected could be any worse...The environment is toxic.

What would help is all of the negativity going away. If a Repub gets elected
you will see all of the media like fox and the Koch clones start proclaiming sunshine and lolipops. Ya never hear anything about the tax cut Obama pushed through, you only hear bad things about cutting defense spending
the guy can't win for losing. No matter what he does.

My biggest gripe with Obama is that he has never had the balls to push anything through without trying to be partisan. He is playing right in to the GOP
mandate of nothing but pure failure for his term. Obamacare being the exception.

If he had actually done more than one thing NEW I would maybe have a different opinion.

Oh my hell......!!! "the media like fox and the Koch clones"...too effing funny! First, the Koch brothers own how many media outlets, and how many does George Soroes own/control again? Second, what about ALL the other media outlets, like ABC, CBS. NBC, MSNBC, CNN, PBS, NPR, New York Times, Boston Globe, LA Times, Washington Post, Hollywood, Reuters, etc, etc? TFF!

voiceofreason wrote:

I don't see how anybody that gets elected could be any worse...The environment is toxic.

What would help is all of the negativity going away. If a Repub gets elected
you will see all of the media like fox and the Koch clones start proclaiming sunshine and lolipops. Ya never hear anything about the tax cut Obama pushed through, you only hear bad things about cutting defense spending
the guy can't win for losing. No matter what he does.

My biggest gripe with Obama is that he has never had the balls to push anything through without trying to be partisan. He is playing right in to the GOP
mandate of nothing but pure failure for his term. Obamacare being the exception.

If he had actually done more than one thing NEW I would maybe have a different opinion.

Here's your tax break, voiceoftreason...

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/cbo-taxes-will-shoot-more-30-percent-over-next-2-years