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+5Pete Yonni fatbass coyoteslayer proutdoors 9 posters | |
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Nibble Nuts Apathetic
Posts : 56 Join date : 2010-05-29
| Subject: Re: A 'Moral' Government Mon Jun 07, 2010 9:29 pm | |
| Damn Pete! I don't know what to say, but if I've ever seen the nail get hit square on the head, this would be it! | |
| | | proutdoors Lobbyist
Posts : 1069 Join date : 2010-05-29 Age : 57 Location : Gunnison Valley
| Subject: Re: A 'Moral' Government Mon Jun 07, 2010 11:43 pm | |
| - Pete wrote:
- I first mentioned the word "utopia," but you first described and implied it by saying that the sort of societal problems I listed wouldn't exist in a purely libertarian society. Actually, I suspect they would happen more often since the government would purposely eliminate (or severely restrict) its role as an equalizing agent and moderator. The government RARELY acts as an equalizing agent in modern politics. If it were to limit itself to its proper LIMITED role I wouldn't have a whole lot of heartburn over it acting as moderator. But, what we have had for 100+ years is the government tilting the playing field to a few well-connected elitists that has lead to predictable bubbles, that ALWAYS lead to bursts that hurt the little guy far more than the connected elites.
- Pete wrote:
- Now don't get me wrong, I consider myself a libertarian, but I don't consider dogmatic libertarianism to be a recipe for nirvana. There are advantages and dangers in libertarianism. Government, in my opinion, has a legitimate (but sharply limited) role in mitigating those dangers — despite having to do so on a very slippery slope. No argument from me on this.
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- You once seemed to take offense at me labeling you as a right-wing extremist, so I was trying to be tactful. That is because I do NOT consider myself right-wing, let alone 'extreme' right wing.
- Pete wrote:
- There are things that are demonstrably true and there are things that are demonstrably false. There are also things that are neither and simply a matter of opinion. There are also the far more complex scenarios that are a mixture of contradictory opinions, hoped-for outcomes, personal preferences and mutually exclusive and irresolvable incompatibilities.When you use history as a way to judge ideas/concepts, things are not so 'complex' as some make them out to be. Ignoring what has happened in the past increases the odds of repeating the same mistakes others made that cost societies dearly. For example, you can have an opinion on the merits of fiat monetary systems, but history says they ALL fail and ALL lead to misery with the 'little' guy bearing the brunt of the sorrow. No matter what is hoped for, believed, or preferred, in many cases the outcome is as predictable as the day turning to night, even though the 'experts' seem oblivious to it. For every action there is an equal reaction, and if you can see what the reaction was MANY times over, you can predict with a fair amount of accuracy what the reaction will be BEFORE the act is committed.
- Pete wrote:
- Finding the best place "to stand" involves an accurate and realistic assessment of the terrain. In the murky swamp of society, the choice of where to stand might best remain tentative since the ground under one's feet isn't necessarily as solid as it might seem. It only gets murky when the government stirs up the water and injects poison into the mud. Stand on Principles that are proven through time, and ones choice of where to stand is rock solid. Stand based on the passing of the wind, or by ignoring history and human nature, and one is standing on a thin crust of dirt that is hiding the quicksand below.
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| Subject: Re: A 'Moral' Government Tue Jun 08, 2010 1:23 pm | |
| Pro that blue makes the text unreadable, I would like to read it without my eyes hurting, please change it | |
| | | proutdoors Lobbyist
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| Subject: Re: A 'Moral' Government Tue Jun 08, 2010 6:08 pm | |
| Happy now Mr. Color Critic? | |
| | | proutdoors Lobbyist
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| Subject: Re: A 'Moral' Government Tue Jun 08, 2010 6:08 pm | |
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| Subject: Re: A 'Moral' Government Tue Jun 08, 2010 6:34 pm | |
| - proutdoors wrote:
- Happy now Mr. Color Critic?
Yes and many thanks | |
| | | proutdoors Lobbyist
Posts : 1069 Join date : 2010-05-29 Age : 57 Location : Gunnison Valley
| Subject: Re: A 'Moral' Government Tue Jun 08, 2010 6:41 pm | |
| I only did it because I am feeling nice this afternoon. I find the blue easier to read, but since you asked so nicely I went along with your request. | |
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