GOV FOR SALE

voiceofreason wrote:

Rock On Bassy.... Eventually it'll trickle down right???

It did and it will again...as soon as we kick the last socialist out of office.

voiceofreason wrote:

Hey BASSY, Can you tell me the tax rate on Stock Dividends???

Between 5% and 15%, depending on your income tax bracket, which is 5% to 15% too high. Since all of my dividends get reinvested into my 401K, I don't have to worry about it.


Honestly, what is it about you progressives that makes you think you have the right to steal money from the ambitious and redistribute it to the unambitious?

Theft is theft, whether face to face or through the leftist jack-booted government thugs.

I know I'm wasting my limited typing skills here but ah hell why not.

So those poor well to do individuals are worried about paying 30% like the rest of us unmotivated talentless slugs?? Is that what you just said???


Look back a few years BASSY, how did the deficit look under tax cutter the Gipper?? How about Bush I, Bush II ???

Tell me how it looked under Slick Willy.

Are you Neo Libertarians concerned about the deficit and uncontrolled spending only when it doesn't benefit the rich??

Yep we are all getting a fair shake when you continue to perpetrate the myth that the wealthy are getting soaked as compared to percent of income paid in taxes.

I know it's bullshit and you do to!!!

Carry on with your fallacy

voiceofreason wrote:

I know I'm wasting my limited typing skills here but ah hell why not.

So those poor well to do individuals are worried about paying 30% like the rest of us unmotivated talentless slugs?? Is that what you just said???


Look back a few years BASSY, how did the deficit look under tax cutter the Gipper?? How about Bush I, Bush II ???

Tell me how it looked under Slick Willy.

Are you Neo Libertarians concerned about the deficit and uncontrolled spending only when it doesn't benefit the rich??

Yep we are all getting a fair shake when you continue to perpetrate the myth that the wealthy are getting soaked as compared to percent of income paid in taxes.

I know it's bullshit and you do to!!!

Carry on with your fallacy

It's their money that needs to be reinvested in more businesses, NOT taken out of the private sector and pissed away by government!

Yeah thats proving itself right now right???

Job growth is at an all time high at the present???
Never a better time to buy than now.

Fallacy away!!!!!

voiceofreason wrote:

Yeah thats proving itself right now right???

Job growth is at an all time high at the present???
Never a better time to buy than now.

Fallacy away!!!!!

And who is to blame for all this VOR? the wealthy? LOL are you kidding me, look at Obozo as to why job growth is only in the public sector and the housing market that is getting worse, not better. Do you really want to see what these tax increases are going to do... I guaradamntee that it WILL effect you and just may be the trigger for the double dip to occur even sooner. But I know you will just call me chicken little so just ignore this post!

And to help bring it back on track, check this out:

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Gov. Gary Herbert was briefed on a $13 million settlement with a losing bidder for the Interstate 15 reconstruction contract minutes before the start of a news conference last week in which he asserted that he had no knowledge of the deal.

You can read the whole story here

dubob wrote:

And to help bring it back on track, check this out:

Quote :

Gov. Gary Herbert was briefed on a $13 million settlement with a losing bidder for the Interstate 15 reconstruction contract minutes before the start of a news conference last week in which he asserted that he had no knowledge of the deal.

You can read the whole story here

I don't see issue with this, let me explain. If he was briefed right before the news conference he had no prior knowledge so by him saying this is the first I have heard of it is true, he just heard about it 15 minutes earlier. This is just the news stations trying to be dramatic. Now as far as the 13 million deal, someones head needs to roll, that is ridiculous. When anyone does a bid they know there is a chance they are going to lose and eat the cost of the bid. I also can't imagine it being 13 million either. As of now I am still leaning towards Herbert, but am not too happy with him right now.

THANKS BOB!!!

YONNI, No chicken little for you brother.

Dude the proof is no farther back than Slick Willy Clinton!!!
Like I asked how was the deficit back then??? How much worse were things
than when Ronnie was giving away the farm to the wealthy? How where the middle class under Reaganomics??? How were interest rates back then??

I have no issues with the wealthy getting and KEEPING every penny they earn
or inherit. The either worked hard, were smarter, or did something better than ANYBODY else was able to do and deserve to be compensated.

What sends me over the edge is when the uninformed regurgitate the same old rhetoric about the wealthy being persecuted!!! It ain't true. Let them take a salary instead of stocks that produce divedends. Let them pay an equal percentage per dollar earned just like the unwashed.

OK. I've stayed away for long enough. Hope you guys don't mind me chiming in here time to time.

Anyway, Herbert is a piece of work, and exemplifies the corruption that IS the Republican Party as it stands in Utah right now. Just to review, in the past year, we've had former party legislative leaders who got elected on the platform that they are former Bishops get arrested for the 3rd or 4th time DUI offenses but got it covered up by the SLPD, a former party leader (former Bishop) get exposed (nice word choice, eh?) for getting naked with a teenage girl he'd taught in Sunday School and then paid her $150,000 to keep her mouth shut, and our Governor is "surprised" by a $13 million check to his campaign donor for NOT winning the bid on the I-15 reconstruct? How is anyone surprised at all by this.

If Gov. really didn't know, then the right thing to do is give the campaign donation back, along with a statement about not wanting the appearance of bribery. But he won't do it. The R's running the Utah legislature are the most corrupt bunch of jack-holes I've encountered. And Herbert comes from deeply embedded in that cloth. Until Utahan's wake up to the corruption of their good "Brothers" in the Republican Party, the one-party system will continue to be horribly corrupt.

And before you blast me for blasting the "Faith", know that I am a faithful LDS who is sick and tired of corrupt people using the Church for their own political gain. This is not what the Church teaches, endorses, or in any way promotes. And if it were up to me, any LDS that used the church for politcal gain would have their butt excommunicated faster than they could say "Brothers and Sisters, I could use your support on Tuesday."

Thanks Dubob. You and Yonni talked me into it.

Thanks, Yonni, for the good retort to VOR.

Welcome, GaryFish! Great post and I look forward to more from you!

TLJ, I live in South Ogden and don't share your views on the Boy Mayor but I respect and appreciate your opinion of him. If I were a victim of his "manifest destiny" scorched earth, bulldozer policies (i.e. gentrification), I'd be pissed off too.

GaryFish wrote:

...exemplifies the corruption that IS the Republican Party as it stands in Utah right now.

Republican politicians have dominated Utah government and the behind-the-scenes give-and-take for so long that the closed-door deals and cronyism that always accompanies the politics within the parties (all parties, really) has taken over the state government as well.

Rather than hashing it out with Democrats on the hill in open and transparent airings of the public's business, Utah Republicans simply ignore the Democrats as being too few to make a difference. Consequently, instead of nominating the best candidates, Republicans nominate their friends, cronies and good ol' boy business acquaintances for public office — knowing full well that they'll win despite who the Democrats might run. Political appointees are handled the same way — they're most inside jobs based upon favoritism, paybacks and network connections. The Democrats, because of their chronic minority status, seem nearly irrelevant and are unable to assume the role of the loyal opposition in keeping things above board and relatively honest.

As I've stated many times, my views run toward libertarianism, but this year, for the reasons mentioned above, I'm voting mostly Democratic in state and local elections. It's way past time for the state's Republicans to be challenged on issues, policies, appointments and the behind-the-scenes back scratching that they've gotten far too comfortable with. Anyway, my differences with Democrats come mostly into play on national issues. Locally, my differences with them are much smaller, and their fresh faces in positions of state power would be a welcome relief to the arrogant, condescending and non-accountable good ol' boys who have been running the state and fattening theirs and their friends pocketbooks and resumes for far too long.

Pete wrote:

GaryFish wrote:

...exemplifies the corruption that IS the Republican Party as it stands in Utah right now.

Republican politicians have dominated Utah government and the behind-the-scenes give-and-take for so long that the closed-door deals and cronyism that always accompanies the politics within the parties (all parties, really) has taken over the state government as well.

Rather than hashing it out with Democrats on the hill in open and transparent airings of the public's business, Utah Republicans simply ignore the Democrats as being too few to make a difference. Consequently, instead of nominating the best candidates, Republicans nominate their friends, cronies and good ol' boy business acquaintances for public office — knowing full well that they'll win despite who the Democrats might run. Political appointees are handled the same way — they're most inside jobs based upon favoritism, paybacks and network connections. The Democrats, because of their chronic minority status, seem nearly irrelevant and are unable to assume the role of the loyal opposition in keeping things above board and relatively honest.

As I've stated many times, my views run toward libertarianism, but this year, for the reasons mentioned above, I'm voting mostly Democratic in state and local elections. It's way past time for the state's Republicans to be challenged on issues, policies, appointments and the behind-the-scenes back scratching that they've gotten far too comfortable with. Anyway, my differences with Democrats come mostly into play on national issues. Locally, my differences with them are much smaller, and their fresh faces in positions of state power would be a welcome relief to the arrogant, condescending and non-accountable good ol' boys who have been running the state and fattening theirs and their friends pocketbooks and resumes for far too long.

Lob those grenades, Pete The Agitator.

jahan wrote:

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=12614651

Oh Snap!!

The more that is revealed about this the more it confirms my suspicions of the gov. He is a crook and the residents of Utah will keep electing him just because he has a R next to his name. Get your head out of the sand Utah.

huntingbuddy wrote:

He is a crook

Oh please - say it isn't so!