Airport security

gettin a warm fuzzy yet about what the TSA is doing?


One Hundred Naked Citizens: One Hundred Leaked Body Scans
http://gizmodo.com/5690749/

the comments below the article is great!!

There are several talk radio people covering this right now, even as of today.

Personally, I have nothing to hide, and I sure as hell am not going to blow up an airplane. I don't like the idea of having to submit to a full body scan like that, and sure don't like the idea of being groped in the airport, even after passing through said body scans, all of which is now happening btw.

Having said all that, I think their efforts with the scanning is misguided on several points.

The captain or control of the plane is WAY MORE dangerous than some jack ass with a bomb. What's to stop a captain from turning that plane into a giant missle?

As proved AGAIN recently, what goes into cargo is screened at a much lower level, if AT ALL. Way easier to send a bomb with some sort of timer through the cargo.

And finally, and I'm gonna get flamed for this, but I don't a give a shit. Check everyone with a hhhccckkk in their name, check em twice if they have a beard, and check them three times if their clothing is loose fitting. Those are the sons of bitches that are trying to blow up planes, not the average American going to Tulsa to visit granmama.

Full body scans are only a part of the equation, and thank the good Lord that the TSA has to go before a government panel tomorrow, and answer a lot of tough question about this and the recent cargo bombs. I think that TSA is overstepping their bounds with the body scans, and that the efforts should more be with tightening cargo security and actually training people to spot possible problems rather than relying on machinery to do their job for them.

The TSA method is nothing more than Kabuki theatre with a side order of porn for those perverts at the TSA. Lots of posing and posturing to make the masses feel like something is being done but the things that matter are being ignored...like the fact that it's ONLY ADULT MALE MUSLIMS that have perpetrated these acts in the past. America needs to take a lesson from the Israelis and El Al and learn to spot the truly hell-bent on destruction and leave the rest of us alone.

I used to fly a lot but will not until my rights are restored.

Me, my wife, and my 2 kids (11 and 12) are flying to Hawaii for christmas. My wife and I agree that whatever line gets us on the plane fastest is the way to go, be it a scan or rub search. I could give a shit less if some dude likes the way a black and white profile of my junk looks. Just get me on the plane and and I'll take a crown and coke please.

Something blows up, we clamor for more security. More security, we cry about our civil rights. It is silly to me. Bottom line, they are tasked with keeping us safe, and we don't have any unrestricted right to fly so we have to play ball.

IMHO, this is being done for one or two reasons, and safety is NOT one of them! They are doing this to distract the masses from something the government is doing that they want to fly under the radar, or they are doing this to get the masses to be willing to give up personal liberty one scan/pat down at a time.

The thought that comes to my mind is "Those that would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither" and I will take the liberty to expand on the quote and say eventually will have neither liberty or security.

luv2fsh&hnt wrote:

The thought that comes to my mind is "Those that would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither" and I will take the liberty to expand on the quote and say eventually will have neither liberty or security.

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ROFLMAO gotta love Reason.com/tv

I learned something pretty interesting today. The act that created the TSA in 01, only obliged airports to use them for two years. After that period, they can opt out, and hire a private contractor.

The TSA is doing a really shitty job, Americans need the private sector to step up to the plate.

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I guess there are lawsuits over this pic I better remove it ;(

Yonni wrote:

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GET SOME!!

This one takes the cake!

http://www.redstate.com/erick/2010/11/18/another-tsa-outrage/

fatbass wrote:

This one takes the cake!

http://www.redstate.com/erick/2010/11/18/another-tsa-outrage/

wow now that is plain stupidity!!

I have a couple great ideas on this Airport Security stuff...1) lets go back to pre 9/11 security at the airports so folks are happy and no longer potentially subjected to body scans and 'intrusive' pat downs 2) do away with flying all together and just drive to the destination or take a train or ship to visit the distant family or go on a business trip.

I'm an American DAMNIT how dare the government (TSA) subject me to an intrusive humiliating pat down and also the chance of yet another humiliating black and white body scan/photo of my naked body...just too much for an American to endure ohhhh the mental anguish... I'll have to be prescribed a drug to cope ...as I'm so deathly to go through anything that remotely makes it a titch inconvenient or uncomfortable as I'm an American and above all pat downs and body scans...so because I'm an American the government is violating my rights and liberties by having me go through this.

K2, are you that shallow? Are you really so ignorant that you think EVERY action taken by the government is warranted? Tell me, how the HELL does groping a toddler make it safe to fly? How many terrorists have been stopped by the TSA doing these sexual assaults and porn photos? If the TSA were serious about safe skies, they would look at how Israel does it, they have faced far MORE terror threats than the USA could ever imagine, and they do things much different. For starters, they PROFILE. SInce the supposed goal of the TSA is keeping us all safe, shouldn't they employ the MOST effective means of deterring terror acts? Don't give the lameass excuse of profiling being a violation of civil rights, as these body searches and porn photos as as well, so why not do what actually works?

proutdoors wrote:

K2, are you that shallow? Are you really so ignorant that you think EVERY action taken by the government is warranted? Tell me, how the HELL does groping a toddler make it safe to fly? How many terrorists have been stopped by the TSA doing these sexual assaults and porn photos? If the TSA were serious about safe skies, they would look at how Israel does it, they have faced far MORE terror threats than the USA could ever imagine, and they do things much different. For starters, they PROFILE. SInce the supposed goal of the TSA is keeping us all safe, shouldn't they employ the MOST effective means of deterring terror acts? Don't give the lameass excuse of profiling being a violation of civil rights, as these body searches and porn photos as as well, so why not do what actually works?

Whatever Pro...again one can't have the cake and eat it too...Oh and how Isreal does it well haven't totally researched this one but is Israel as large the United States with as many airports? Does every airport in the world have an Isreali placed profilers in every single world airport...hmmmmm I'm inclined to think not...so IMHO if you want this type of Zefa (NCIS) who can without a doubt pick out the bad guy/gal then again these folks must be trained and who is going to pay for that...oh I know lets use SOF type folks that will do it. I won't disagree though this needs to happen profilers but how many years will that take to even get say 100, 1000 or more trained and placed in our nations airports...years, years, years...we'll be pushing up dasies by the time that happens...so besides the pat downs body scans...and we don't have the profilers in place...tell me ole wise one what would YOU recommend if you were the KING for a day...give us what you think is the best approach when it comes to airport security??????? I'm all eyes on the type...let me here your wisdom and recommendations on what PRO would do for airport security that won't take years to train individuals????

I'm not vain or shallow but I can put up with a little inconvenience and I don't believe it's taking anything away from me or my family...I do believe it is making us safer...but who knows really...the evil will always find a way to make a statement.

So again don't fly take the vehicle/train/ship and you should be just fine...but I would like to see what you would recommend that would be the best for airport security..... I may even agree with it...but I haven't seen one thing posted on this thread that wouldn't take years to train a profiler...so lets here it folks...give up your great ideas on what any of you would do better besides state the obvious that the government and the TSA is a joke...well such a joke tell us all your plans on airport security.

proutdoors wrote:

http://online.wsj.com/video/how-israel-screens-for-terrorists/987D025A-145D-42F5-9756-7B43CC7613CE.html

Okay yes racial/ethnic profiling...that will work to a point I guess until another race/ethnic, then another race/ethnic, then again yet another race/ethnic...then what do you do...what about Americans who aren't white...have olive completion like me....

How do you know this isn't already happening in our airports today....??? Are you 100% sure we're not already covertly doing this PRO???

So besides the 100% sure proof profiling will work I guess in your mind is the only way...what else do you do...just that profile even in small middle American airports in the heartland of the USA...

Oh and another thing...how does one profile say a Timothy McVeigh type person????? other folks in our own country that kill innocent folks. Doyou think for one minute profiling will end this...I don't and I also believe there is evil and unfortunaltely no line of defense put in place will ever prevent evil from doing the work of pure hatred and evil...sad but very true...I'd hope you'd agree

So yes I'll deal with the airport security issues of late if I have to fly because I have nothing hide...will it be inconvenient I'd be a liar if I said it wasn't but I want to make my flight...and I don't fly often and when I do its for business just get me on the plane and don't make me miss my flight...if someone wants to pat me down or have me go through a body scan search my entire baggage...so be it...we live in the post 9/11 world and no type of security will ever prevent the evil from doing evil we can only hope that we can deter it and keep all on notice/check...and if these new pat downs and body scans deter someone from doing evil I'm all for it...but as we recently saw evil will try to find new and innovative ways of testing us et al.

OBTW when we flew to SD for vacation a couple years ago...when we left the little one tiny terminal at Watertown SD and got home opened up our luggage there was a card in it that said our bags were selected for a random search and the TSA thanked us with this card. Was I pissed off HECK NO...would you be pissed off??? The TSA is doing their job is all I can say...some find it horrible for me it's not horrible as some want it to seem...I've had much more done to me in my life that was horrible and this isn't even close.

K2, please address these questions:

proutdoors wrote:

Tell me, how the HELL does groping a toddler make it safe to fly? How many terrorists have been stopped by the TSA doing these sexual assaults and porn photos?

If you can show that these actions actually make us safer, not just feel safer, and that there is NO other ways to be safe, then I will consider their actions being somewhat justified.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40291856/ns/travel-news/?GT1=43001

Damn good thing this guy was checked, he certainly fits the profile of a potential terrorist, doesn't he?

First off, it would not take years to train people better K2.

Secondly, our own home grown terrorists don't use airplanes. Timothy McVeigh used a truck. The Unibomber didn't hijack a plane, Bill Ayers didn't do it either. When are you going to wake up and realize that it's not white dudes flying to America that are blowing shit up? Seriously.

Profile the shit out of anyone from the east. Back in the old days profiling was called GOOD POLICE WORK. Remind them every time they fly, that some jack ass ruined it for them, and that it most certainly was not an American citizen. That they have an idiot to blame for being searched, violated, embarassed, etc., before entering America. Remind every foreigner flying to America, that in America, we like to protect ourselves for other idiots, and that these searches, pat downs, and x-ray's are necessary for entry.

But the truth is, that here in America, we really don't care if some terrorist kills a bunch of innocent people. Let's not waste a tragedy, when political ground can be gained.

Why the American people have to pay for a foreigner's mistake is beyond me. But I digress, I think the answer here lies in private security. The can and do a better job, than an administratively heavy government agency, that the airport's don't even have to use.

Or, further out there than that, let American citizens carry on the plane. Ohh, did I just say that!?!? Subject them to additional background checks, permits, and regulations. Then post a sign in fifty languages that reads pretty much..."ooohhh btw, we let our American passengers carry guns." But again, we'd rather let a government agency do everything for us, so that idea wouldn't work either.

shotgunwill wrote:

First off, it would not take years to train people better K2.

Secondly, our own home grown terrorists don't use airplanes. Timothy McVeigh used a truck. The Unibomber didn't hijack a plane, Bill Ayers didn't do it either. When are you going to wake up and realize that it's not white dudes flying to America that are blowing shit up? Seriously.

Profile the shit out of anyone from the east. Back in the old days profiling was called GOOD POLICE WORK. Remind them every time they fly, that some jack ass ruined it for them, and that it most certainly was not an American citizen. That they have an idiot to blame for being searched, violated, embarassed, etc., before entering America. Remind every foreigner flying to America, that in America, we like to protect ourselves for other idiots, and that these searches, pat downs, and x-ray's are necessary for entry.

But the truth is, that here in America, we really don't care if some terrorist kills a bunch of innocent people. Let's not waste a tragedy, when political ground can be gained.

Why the American people have to pay for a foreigner's mistake is beyond me. But I digress, I think the answer here lies in private security. The can and do a better job, than an administratively heavy government agency, that the airport's don't even have to use.

Or, further out there than that, let American citizens carry on the plane. Ohh, did I just say that!?!? Subject them to additional background checks, permits, and regulations. Then post a sign in fifty languages that reads pretty much..."ooohhh btw, we let our American passengers carry guns." But again, we'd rather let a government agency do everything for us, so that idea wouldn't work either.

Well put!

If you're gonna carry, make sure you're loading frangibles so you don't pierce the skin of the aircraft.

Let's just stop wasting everybody's time and start body cavity searching everyone from the middle east...at least everyone with Mohammad or Hussein in their name.