Airport security

proutdoors wrote:

http://www.redstate.com/erick/2010/11/18/another-tsa-outrage/

I posted that on page 1.

Taken from: http://archives.gov/exhibits/charters/bill_of_rights_transcript.html

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

AND

AMENDMENT XIV

Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

I personally think there are grounds for a lawsuit, but there are some that might say that these procedures are for our benefit. To that I would ask, Are your constitutional rights really worth sacrificing in this way?

Morning Gents...Hows everyone doing this fine brisk morning??? I agree to a point with most of the comments. But I've yet to really see any thing close to justifiable or even reasonable on what 'you' would recommend be done better with airport security.

Yes I agree profiling can work but I see it taking time to train folks and then assigning these folks to various airports including other countries airports. I would also like to see higher visibility of using dogs at screening areas and then again at the gates. But then what happens if someone is deathly afraid of a dog...there are folks who are seriously afraid of dogs...So what do you do then when a person freaks out when a dog approaches them???

Now do I like seeing the young, old, and handicap folks searched?...no I don't. Do I think we'll see a change in screening...hmmmm yep maybe not right away but I'm thinking they'll scale back on the pat downs...not everyone gets them anyways and I don't believe everyone goes through the body scan either. I didn't have any of these when I went on a recent business trip...just went through the metal detector and that was it.

So again what would your recommendations be if you could provide advise besides bitching and continually bitching about everything the government does or tries to do...

Heres my recommendations:

1) Start aggressively training profilers...I'm think'n this is already underway we just don't know or really see it yet. Stage them throughtout the terminal...

2) Establish a very high tech camera system somewhat like they have at casinos and banks monitored 24/7/365 with highly trained profiling specialists in constant communication with other profilers throughout the terminal. I'm think'n again this may already be happening.

3) Use dogs at screening points, gates and throughout other areas in the terminal

4) Continue with pat downs and body scans and randomly increase and decrease folks subjected to them. Don't establish a pattern on times and what days these increases or decreases.

5) Anyone that flies as is being done now watch out for suspicious activity the flying public can also be part of helping secure our airports.

The TSA employees are just doing their jobs. I'm sure they aren't happy with all the crap being tossed at them and I'm sure it isn't a glamor job for them. I'm also sure the morale in the TSA is not the greatest either because of this.

So, If you or a family member could only find one job to support the family and it was working for the TSA would you/they take the job??? I can hardly wait to see the responses to that parting question.

k2muskie wrote:

Morning Gents...Hows everyone doing this fine brisk morning??? I agree to a point with most of the comments. But I've yet to really see any thing close to justifiable or even reasonable on what 'you' would recommend be done better with airport security.

Yes I agree profiling can work but I see it taking time to train folks and then assigning these folks to various airports including other countries airports. I would also like to see higher visibility of using dogs at screening areas and then again at the gates. But then what happens if someone is deathly afraid of a dog...there are folks who are seriously afraid of dogs...So what do you do then when a person freaks out when a dog approaches them???

I heard an interesting commentary about this idea yesterday. It is generally accepted that dogs would do a better job of literally sniffing out bombs, but the commentary on this idea is about the logistics of carrying that idea out. The dogs can only work so much, and they would need kennels in the airports, food, etc. The dogs also need capable handlers. Logistically, I agree that this method would be a tough sell. I personally think this is the best way in combination with really great profilers.

Now do I like seeing the young, old, and handicap folks searched?...no I don't. Do I think we'll see a change in screening...hmmmm yep maybe not right away but I'm thinking they'll scale back on the pat downs...not everyone gets them anyways and I don't believe everyone goes through the body scan either. I didn't have any of these when I went on a recent business trip...just went through the metal detector and that was it.


Again, some people are having the same experience as you. Lotsa people are still going through the 1960's magnetometers or magnetrons, whatever they are called. I think that there is some media embellishment going on right now, but I do not doubt that these things are actually happening. I have relatives traveling this week, and I am anxious to hear their reports too.

So again what would your recommendations be if you could provide advise besides bitching and continually bitching about everything the government does or tries to do... Awww, C'mon. It's fun to bitch and moan...

Heres my recommendations:

1) Start aggressively training profilers...I'm think'n this is already underway we just don't know or really see it yet. Stage them throughtout the terminal...

Covertly or not, having people right there on the spot profiling, has a better mental effect, than people throughout the terminals. But I agree, there should be people throughout the terminals as well.

2) Establish a very high tech camera system somewhat like they have at casinos and banks monitored 24/7/365 with highly trained profiling specialists in constant communication with other profilers throughout the terminal. I'm think'n again this may already be happening. I'm cool with that.

3) Use dogs at screening points, gates and throughout other areas in the terminal See above.

4) Continue with pat downs and body scans and randomly increase and decrease folks subjected to them. Don't establish a pattern on times and what days these increases or decreases.

The major flaw with this idea, is that there is a chance that a bomb carrier will make it through on the lighter check days. That's not a bet I am willing to hedge.

5) Anyone that flies as is being done now watch out for suspicious activity the flying public can also be part of helping secure our airports. We are already supposed to do this, maybe people will wake up an actually do it now.....

The TSA employees are just doing their jobs. I'm sure they aren't happy with all the crap being tossed at them and I'm sure it isn't a glamor job for them. I'm also sure the morale in the TSA is not the greatest either because of this. TOTALLY AGREE!!

So, If you or a family member could only find one job to support the family and it was working for the TSA would you/they take the job??? I can hardly wait to see the responses to that parting question. I personally would not take the job, as I feel the TSA's policy to be violating the rights of law abiding American citizens.

Great posts this morning K2 with the NK/SK and this!

As a frequent business flyer, I personnally don't feel any safer now than before 9/11.

Here is why.

If I look at it from the point of 9/11 and what happened, then I know under those conditions that scenario will never happen again. People had been trained at that point in time to sit in their seats, remain quiet, and get a trip to Cuba. Now people know that this plane or bus is not just going to have the individuals on that plane in danger, but much more. In all cases from 9/11 on people are getting involved. They know it is just not about them. With the security measures for the cockpit, the most that will happen now is a loss of the people on the plane and collateral ground damage from falling debris.

Now with that being said, there are so many ways to bring an individual plane down, that I just don't feel the extreme that is being done now in security is accomplishing much. Does that mean I believe in no security. No, but cameras, metal detectors, and liquid restrictions are good enough. I also think that letting pilots and crews through unchecked is about as stupid as I can think of. I heard in a report that one of the things that Israel does is interact with the passengers.

That is just what I think.

shotgunwill wrote:

k2muskie wrote:

Morning Gents...Hows everyone doing this fine brisk morning??? I agree to a point with most of the comments. But I've yet to really see any thing close to justifiable or even reasonable on what 'you' would recommend be done better with airport security.

Yes I agree profiling can work but I see it taking time to train folks and then assigning these folks to various airports including other countries airports. I would also like to see higher visibility of using dogs at screening areas and then again at the gates. But then what happens if someone is deathly afraid of a dog...there are folks who are seriously afraid of dogs...So what do you do then when a person freaks out when a dog approaches them???

I heard an interesting commentary about this idea yesterday. It is generally accepted that dogs would do a better job of literally sniffing out bombs, but the commentary on this idea is about the logistics of carrying that idea out. The dogs can only work so much, and they would need kennels in the airports, food, etc. The dogs also need capable handlers. Logistically, I agree that this method would be a tough sell. I personally think this is the best way in combination with really great profilers.

Now do I like seeing the young, old, and handicap folks searched?...no I don't. Do I think we'll see a change in screening...hmmmm yep maybe not right away but I'm thinking they'll scale back on the pat downs...not everyone gets them anyways and I don't believe everyone goes through the body scan either. I didn't have any of these when I went on a recent business trip...just went through the metal detector and that was it.


Again, some people are having the same experience as you. Lotsa people are still going through the 1960's magnetometers or magnetrons, whatever they are called. I think that there is some media embellishment going on right now, but I do not doubt that these things are actually happening. I have relatives traveling this week, and I am anxious to hear their reports too.

So again what would your recommendations be if you could provide advise besides bitching and continually bitching about everything the government does or tries to do... Awww, C'mon. It's fun to bitch and moan...

Heres my recommendations:

1) Start aggressively training profilers...I'm think'n this is already underway we just don't know or really see it yet. Stage them throughtout the terminal...

Covertly or not, having people right there on the spot profiling, has a better mental effect, than people throughout the terminals. But I agree, there should be people throughout the terminals as well.

2) Establish a very high tech camera system somewhat like they have at casinos and banks monitored 24/7/365 with highly trained profiling specialists in constant communication with other profilers throughout the terminal. I'm think'n again this may already be happening. I'm cool with that.

3) Use dogs at screening points, gates and throughout other areas in the terminal See above.

4) Continue with pat downs and body scans and randomly increase and decrease folks subjected to them. Don't establish a pattern on times and what days these increases or decreases.

The major flaw with this idea, is that there is a chance that a bomb carrier will make it through on the lighter check days. That's not a bet I am willing to hedge.

5) Anyone that flies as is being done now watch out for suspicious activity the flying public can also be part of helping secure our airports. We are already supposed to do this, maybe people will wake up an actually do it now.....

The TSA employees are just doing their jobs. I'm sure they aren't happy with all the crap being tossed at them and I'm sure it isn't a glamor job for them. I'm also sure the morale in the TSA is not the greatest either because of this. TOTALLY AGREE!!

So, If you or a family member could only find one job to support the family and it was working for the TSA would you/they take the job??? I can hardly wait to see the responses to that parting question. I personally would not take the job, as I feel the TSA's policy to be violating the rights of law abiding American citizens.

Great posts this morning K2 with the NK/SK and this!

I agree with you responses to K2.

It's the TSA responses to terror attempts that scares me. We now take off our shoes because of the shoe bomber. TSA now checks our undies because of the underwear bomber. What will they do when the tampon bomber strikes?

Fatbass wrote:

"I agree with you responses to K2.

It's the TSA responses to terror attempts that scares me. We now take off our shoes because of the shoe bomber. TSA now checks our undies because of the underwear bomber. What will they do when the tampon bomber strikes?"

We will get free body cavity exams at the airport and they will call it a great accomplishment of Obamacare!

"...Does TSA administrator John "Long Dong Silver" Pistole get searched at an airport? How about Homeland Security Director Janet Napolitano? FBI Director Robert Mueller? Michelle Obama and the kids?

No, of course not. TSA agents are busy X-raying James Caan's shoes and feeling up nuns.

I'd feel safer if Pistole and Napolitano had the full body cavity search than Grandma. Anyone involved in the creation of an airport security system that requires pilots to be checked for weapons has got to be removed from any government job and promptly institutionalized, as he is a danger to himself and others.

We're talking about the pilot. Is there anyone in the government who can tell us why the pilot doesn't need a box-cutter to seize control of the airplane and kill everyone on it? You there, in the back -- the skinny guy with the big ears behind the teleprompter: Wanna take a guess? Bueller? Anyone? Bueller?

I'm for any program that requires Nancy Pelosi and Janet Napolitano to either be felt up or videotaped nude every morning by Jose, the $20-an-hour security guard -- just as they do for the rest of us. "



http://townhall.com/columnists/AnnCoulter/2010/11/24/strange_men_grope_nancy_pelosi_or_the_terrorists_have_won/page/full/