Rick Perry

Gov. Perry is tossing his hat in.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44110416/ns/politics-decision_2012/?ocid=ansmsnbc11#.TkSNf2GsOSo

Best news I've heard all day.

Finally!

Perry is another insider, he was once a campaign adviser for GORE, that's right GORE. He is a progressive, and is NOT what this nation needs!!

dubob wrote:

proutdoors wrote:

Perry is another insider, he was once a campaign adviser for GORE, that's right GORE. He is a progressive, and is NOT what this nation needs!!

Bullshit! He's been a Republican since 1989. Just when did he advise Gore? He's been Gov of TX for 10 years and TX leads the nation in jobs growth. And jobs growth is EXACTLY what this country needs right now. These assholes are progressives: Ted Kennedy, Russ Feingold, Dennis Kucinich, Barney Frank, Alan Grayson, Bernie Sanders, Al Franken, John Conyers, John Lewis, and Paul Wellstone. And you're putting Rick Perry in the same boat? Not hardly!

He IS a progressive, just as GWB was a progressive, and Lindsey Graham is a progressive, and 90% of the GOP insiders! You best take a closer look at some of the policies that Perry endorsed/pushed before being so quick to defend him. If you think the job growth in Texas is because of Perry, you are delusional. Perry is a progressive of the same ilk as Huntsman and Romney.

So, who has the thick skull? Is it me, or is it the one who admits that facts and reality mean nothing? The sad thing is, there are VERY few conservatives in office today, certainly in Washington. Ron Paul is one, and even most republicans label him an extremist/kook. The first open progressive was Teddy Roosevelt, that you are unaware of this speaks volumes about your limited understanding of what a progressive is. George W Bush was a progressive NOT a conservative! Don't believe me? Answer this: did the size/scope/power of the federal govern grow and diminish under his 8 years in the Oval Office? Can you explain how in the hell No Child Left Behind is 'conservative and not progressive? How about Homeland Security? What about his Prescription Drug policy, forming TSA, Gitmo, TARP? Take off your blinders and wake the f--k up!! Do we really need to list the PROGRESSIVE policies Perry has endorsed/signed/pushed over the years?

dubob wrote:

proutdoors wrote:

Perry is another insider, he was once a campaign adviser for GORE, that's right GORE. He is a progressive, and is NOT what this nation needs!!

Bullshit! He's been a Republican since 1989. Just when did he advise Gore? He's been Gov of TX for 10 years and TX leads the nation in jobs growth. And jobs growth is EXACTLY what this country needs right now. These assholes are progressives: Ted Kennedy, Russ Feingold, Dennis Kucinich, Barney Frank, Alan Grayson, Bernie Sanders, Al Franken, John Conyers, John Lewis, and Paul Wellstone. And you're putting Rick Perry in the same boat? Not hardly!

I did a little research for you. Gore ran for President in 1988, when Perry was STILL a Democrat, and Rick Perry DID endorse him and help on his campaign.

Here is a link to help you see the MANY progressive polices Perry has endorsed: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/08/why-rick-perry-might-not-be-conservative-enough/243699/1/

What do you think, is this a 'conservative' or a progressive stance:

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In 2001, Perry signed the Texas DREAM Act, which allowed children of illegal immigrants to receive in-state tuition at the state's universities.

?

How about this one:

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In 2007, Perry issued an executive order to make a vaccine for the human papillomavirus, a cause of cervical cancer, mandatory for girls entering sixth grade. Even if parents were given the option to have their child opt out, the decision drew widespread outrage from social conservatives who suggested it encouraged sexual promiscuity. Perry's initiative was hurt further by the fact that Merck, the company that produced the vaccine Gardasil, had hired his former chief of staff to be its lobbyist.

Or this:

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In 2003, Perry unveiled a plan to build a network of highways across Texas, called the Texas Trans-Corridor. Six years later, the $175 million, 6,000-mile project had been dumped. What happened? Although Perry said the plan, which would construct a network of toll roads connecting major cities along with room for power and rail lines, was necessary to help the state keep up with its robust growth, landowners complained it took up too much private property and could bring traffic and crime to rural areas. He also took heat among critics who called the plan a de-facto "NAFTA superhighway."

Or:

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A Wall Street Journal column published Saturday raises questions about Perry's use of the Texas Emerging Technology Fund, which Perry helped create in 2005. The fund was designed to help funnel taxpayer money to technology start-ups in the Lone Star State, but, as the column points out, many of those funds went to big Perry donors. For instance, Convergen LifeSciences, which received $4.5 million, is run by David Nance, who the Wall Street Journal found had donated $75,000 to Perry's campaigns between 2001 and 2006. He was just one of several donors to receive large grants from the Technology Fund, according to the newspaper.

Are these policies conservative endorse? Really?

Thanks for beating me to all the link work, pro.

Perry is another GWB, in all his progressive glory.

ONLY Ron Paul can save us.

fatbass wrote:

Thanks for beating me to all the link work, pro.

Perry is another GWB, in all his progressive glory.

ONLY Ron Paul can save us.

This may all be VERY TRUE, but what I can tell you is there is NO OTHER candidate out there, that has the job creation track record he does. 40% of the nation's created jobs come from his state. He obviously has that down pat.

proutdoors wrote:

Perry is another insider, he was once a campaign adviser for GORE, that's right GORE. He is a progressive, and is NOT what this nation needs!!

proutdoors wrote:

I did a little research for you. Gore ran for President in 1988, when Perry was STILL a Democrat, and Rick Perry DID endorse him and help on his campaign.

It’s still bullshit. Here’s a quote from the same article you provided as a link.

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At the time, both men were different: Perry was still a Democrat (he switched parties in 1989), and Gore was known more for his defense of family values than for trumpeting the danger of climate change. As Perry put it Monday, "This was Al Gore before he invented the Internet and got to be Mr. Global Warming."

And here’s another quote along the same lines:

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Another outspoken conservative governor, Ronald Reagan, was a former Democrat but that was a non-issue in his presidential campaign.

proutdoors wrote:

What do you think, is this a 'conservative' or a progressive stance:

Answer:

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For all of his rock-solid conservative credentials. . .

For a candidate whose fiscal conservative bona fides are his strongest quality as a candidate. . .

For a governor who cut billions from the state budget in areas like education. . .

Sounds like he’s a conservative to me.

proutdoors wrote:

In 2001, Perry signed the Texas DREAM Act, which allowed children of illegal immigrants to receive in-state tuition at the state's universities.

Here are some more quotes from your link. And you conveniently left them out because why?

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"Gov. Perry has continued to push for the federal government to fulfill their responsibilities in a number of areas including border security and illegal immigration," spokeswoman Katherine Cesinger said. "The issue with immigration reform goes back to border security ... you cannot have real immigration reform and effective immigration reform without first securing the border."

"Bryan Eppstein, a Republican political consultant in Texas, said Perry is strong on the issue. He noted that Texas requires proof of legal status to get a driver's license and every county jail checks its inmates' immigration status with a federal database."

"He has approached immigration reform in a way that is best for Texas," Eppstein said. "He's done everything the leader of a state government can do and has called upon continually the federal government to address what they can address."

proutdoors wrote:

How about this one:

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In 2007, Perry issued an executive order to make a vaccine for the human papillomavirus, a cause of cervical cancer, mandatory for girls entering sixth grade. Even if parents were given the option to have their child opt out, the decision drew widespread outrage from social conservatives who suggested it encouraged sexual promiscuity. Perry's initiative was hurt further by the fact that Merck, the company that produced the vaccine Gardasil, had hired his former chief of staff to be its lobbyist.

Well excuse Gov. Perry for realizing he made a mistake and having the balls to admit it in public.

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One of the most noteworthy blunders of Perry's career is one he himself now admits was a mistake.

shotgunwill wrote:

fatbass wrote:

Thanks for beating me to all the link work, pro.

Perry is another GWB, in all his progressive glory.

ONLY Ron Paul can save us.

This may all be VERY TRUE, but what I can tell you is there is NO OTHER candidate out there, that has the job creation track record he does. 40% of the nation's created jobs come from his state. He obviously has that down pat.

Not so fast my friend. It is the State Legislature that deserves the bulk of the credit, IMHO. Perry was a democrat in the beginning, and in his heart he still is. Also, job creation is NOT done by the government. The best way to create jobs is for the government to get the hell out of the way!

dubob wrote:

proutdoors wrote:

Perry is another insider, he was once a campaign adviser for GORE, that's right GORE. He is a progressive, and is NOT what this nation needs!!

proutdoors wrote:

I did a little research for you. Gore ran for President in 1988, when Perry was STILL a Democrat, and Rick Perry DID endorse him and help on his campaign.

It’s still bullshit. Here’s a quote from the same article you provided as a link.

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At the time, both men were different: Perry was still a Democrat (he switched parties in 1989), and Gore was known more for his defense of family values than for trumpeting the danger of climate change. As Perry put it Monday, "This was Al Gore before he invented the Internet and got to be Mr. Global Warming."

Al Gore was a progressive in 1988, spin it any way you want.
And here’s another quote along the same lines:

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Another outspoken conservative governor, Ronald Reagan, was a former Democrat but that was a non-issue in his presidential campaign.

Reagan was very clear on why he was no longer a democrat, Perry has not done the same.

proutdoors wrote:

What do you think, is this a 'conservative' or a progressive stance:

Answer:

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For all of his rock-solid conservative credentials. . .

For a candidate whose fiscal conservative bona fides are his strongest quality as a candidate. . .

For a governor who cut billions from the state budget in areas like education. . .

Sounds like he’s a conservative to me.Really? I guess doing ONE thing right excuses all the wrongs......NOT!

proutdoors wrote:

In 2001, Perry signed the Texas DREAM Act, which allowed children of illegal immigrants to receive in-state tuition at the state's universities.

Here are some more quotes from your link. And you conveniently left them out because why?

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"Gov. Perry has continued to push for the federal government to fulfill their responsibilities in a number of areas including border security and illegal immigration," spokeswoman Katherine Cesinger said. "The issue with immigration reform goes back to border security ... you cannot have real immigration reform and effective immigration reform without first securing the border."

"Bryan Eppstein, a Republican political consultant in Texas, said Perry is strong on the issue. He noted that Texas requires proof of legal status to get a driver's license and every county jail checks its inmates' immigration status with a federal database."

"He has approached immigration reform in a way that is best for Texas," Eppstein said. "He's done everything the leader of a state government can do and has called upon continually the federal government to address what they can address."

So, you admit he supported the DREAM ACT. Too funny.

proutdoors wrote:

How about this one:

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In 2007, Perry issued an executive order to make a vaccine for the human papillomavirus, a cause of cervical cancer, mandatory for girls entering sixth grade. Even if parents were given the option to have their child opt out, the decision drew widespread outrage from social conservatives who suggested it encouraged sexual promiscuity. Perry's initiative was hurt further by the fact that Merck, the company that produced the vaccine Gardasil, had hired his former chief of staff to be its lobbyist.

Well excuse Gov. Perry for realizing he made a mistake and having the balls to admit it in public.

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One of the most noteworthy blunders of Perry's career is one he himself now admits was a mistake.

One who is solidly grounded in the Principles of the Founders and in the validity of the Constitution would NEVER EVER entertain the thought of FORCING vaccinations of this type!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Admitting it was a mistake doesn't exempt him from his lack of understanding, nor you of yours, of the Constitutional Principles and the proper roles of government.

proutdoors wrote:

Not so fast my friend. It is the State Legislature that deserves the bulk of the credit, IMHO. Perry was a democrat in the beginning, and in his heart he still is. Also, job creation is NOT done by the government. The best way to create jobs is for the government to get the hell out of the way!

First off I don't get why you posted this, and secondly, I agree with everything except for him being a progressive..... my jury is still deliberating on that one.

40% of the nation's jobs, somebody has LED government "the hell out of the way". Mock him for his "progressiveness" all you want, but there IS NO ONE that has done what he has done in these hard times. Not even Paul.

proutdoors wrote:

One who is solidly grounded in the Principles of the Founders and in the validity of the Constitution would NEVER EVER entertain the thought of FORCING vaccinations of this type!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Admitting it was a mistake doesn't exempt him from his lack of understanding, nor you of yours, of the Constitutional Principles and the proper roles of government.

EVERYBODY learns as they go PRO. You of all people should understand that, as I personally have witnessed some of YOUR opinions change.

That is true, and I have freely admitted to it, and I also have explained why my views have 'evolved'/changed over the years. But, MANY of Perry's 'sins' are fairly recent, and his excuse for endorsing Gore is beyond lame. He tried to justify it by saying that was before Gore 'invented' the internet and got on the Global Warming scam. A quick search of Gore's positions BEFORE 1988 shows he was a progressive from day one.

Do you always only read part of posts, or is your reading comprehension level that pathetic? I said I have explained in detail why/how/when my political views have changed, I have yet to see Perry do likewise. Reagan explained how reading The Road to Serfdom changed his views. I had a similar experience, coupled with a couple of major life changing events happen at the same time. It hasn't been that long since Perry has done some MAJOR progressive actions, such as his support for the DREAM Act, and his push for FORCED vaccinations for 12 year old girls. His WEAK/LAME explanation for why he supported FORCED vaccinations shows he still is a progressive at heart.

Are you capable of admitting that there are progressives in the GOP as well as the Democrat Party, or are you still in denial/ignorance?

I LOVE it!!!!! One Freakish KOOK after another.

Doesn't really matter what your life philosophy or supposed
morals are... Once your ass hits the seat cushion in the Oval Office and
perpetual re-election mode kicks in you are exactly who you need to be to get re-elected..

If any of you think otherwise you are shitting yourselves.


On a positive note. Shortly the hunts will start and moods will improve.

voiceofreason wrote:

On a positive note. Shortly the hunts will start and moods will improve.

Does that mean no more kookiness from you then? Nothing better than a kook calling out other kooks, lol.

Personally Perry is just another "insider" and he is doing almost exactly as Bush did, pandering to the Christian right. Nothing wrong with that but it seems like it is being taken advantage here. We do not need another Bush, we need someone completely different. Still not fully certain how I feel towards Perry. Carry on!

Yonni wrote:

voiceofreason wrote:

On a positive note. Shortly the hunts will start and moods will improve.

Does that mean no more kookiness from you then? Nothing better than a kook calling out other kooks, lol.

Personally Perry is just another "insider" and he is doing almost exactly as Bush did, pandering to the Christian right. Nothing wrong with that but it seems like it is being taken advantage here. We do not need another Bush, we need someone completely different. Still not fully certain how I feel towards Perry. Carry on!

This might help...

http://www.rollcall.com/news/perrys_no_tea_party_darling_in_texas-208210-1.html

As will this: http://michellemalkin.com/2011/08/16/rick-perrys-bad-obama-style-medicine/

http://reason.com/archives/2011/08/23/the-contradictions-of-a-conser

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It doesn't look like Perry is willing to tell Americans that hard truth. That's too bad: America could use a candidate with the conscience of a conservative and the courage of his convictions.

Yonni wrote:

http://reason.com/archives/2011/08/23/the-contradictions-of-a-conser

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It doesn't look like Perry is willing to tell Americans that hard truth. That's too bad: America could use a candidate with the conscience of a conservative and the courage of his convictions.

Ron Paul has and does EVERY day! Yet 'conservative' insiders continue to marginalize him......................