Supercommittee fails- now for the blame game

http://www.nationaljournal.com//supercommittee/super-committee-fails-to-reach-deficit-agreement-20111121

neither side will budge, and it crashed the markets....

Yonni wrote:

neither side will budge, . . .

You were expecting a different outcome?

Agree 100% with BOB!!! What the hell were you thinking???

voiceofreason wrote:

What the hell were you thinking???

Well it has been said in the not so distant past that if congress won't do it's job, then Obama will be able to do it himself.... executive order! Is this the catalyst?

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/bush-tax-cut-debate-dooms-deal-cut-deficit-15004137#.TsvYSWMk67s

haha it's Bush's fault!!

Here’s a quote of note from the ABCNEWS article:

Quote :

Extending all the Bush tax cuts, including provisions to spare millions of middle-class families from paying the alternative minimum tax, would add $3.9 trillion to the budget deficit over the next decade, according to projections by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office. The Democratic plan would add about $3.1 trillion to the deficit over the same period and make the wealthiest Americans pay about $800 billion more in taxes.

Doesn’t matter much which party is leading; the bottom line is that the deficit goes up over $3 TRILLION. What part of “STOP SPENDING” do they not understand? And just so we’re clear – Ron Paul IS NOT the solution. I’m not sure yet who is, but I know for sure it ain’t him.

dubob wrote:

Here’s a quote of note from the ABCNEWS article:

Quote :

Extending all the Bush tax cuts, including provisions to spare millions of middle-class families from paying the alternative minimum tax, would add $3.9 trillion to the budget deficit over the next decade, according to projections by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office. The Democratic plan would add about $3.1 trillion to the deficit over the same period and make the wealthiest Americans pay about $800 billion more in taxes.

Doesn’t matter much which party is leading; the bottom line is that the deficit goes up over $3 TRILLION. What part of “STOP SPENDING” do they not understand? And just so we’re clear – Ron Paul IS NOT the solution. I’m not sure yet who is, but I know for sure it ain’t him.

Funny how you are all about the Constitution until an actual Constitutional scholar is set before you. Anyone else as president will simply continue the Washington bloat and liberty erosion of the past 100 years. I wish I could be a fly on the wall in 20 years when you tell your grandchildren how sorry you were for enslaving them because you couldn't vote for the strict Constitutionalist.

You're no better than lefty.

BOB you take more shit around here than I do!!!

voiceofreason wrote:

BOB you take more shit around here than I do!!!

And it's just like water off a ducks back!

dubob wrote:

fatbass wrote:

Funny how you are all about the Constitution until an actual Constitutional scholar is set before you. Anyone else as president will simply continue the Washington bloat and liberty erosion of the past 100 years. I wish I could be a fly on the wall in 20 years when you tell your grandchildren how sorry you were for enslaving them because you couldn't vote for the strict Constitutionalist.

Constitutionalist my ass. Ron Paul is a nut case, a whacko, a Libertarian. If he sets your heart a twitter, then by all means support him. You’re absolutely wasting your time trying to convince me to do the same. It ain’t gonna happen. He absolutely can not win against Obama.

You need to get over the fact that not everybody agrees with your political choices and philosophy. Grow up and start acting like an adult. Attacking me by comparing me to Lefty is lame and SHOULD be beneath you. Up until now, I thought you were better than that.

Of course not everybody agrees with my politics. I'm not afraid to see what MUST happen in order to leave my progeny any liberty at all. It is literally impossible for you or anybody else to justify the debt that we, as a country have accumulated over the last decade and you, like the rest of the 99% don't care enough to make the hard choices.

At least VOT admits he wants to bleed the country dry but you should know better than to want to keep the status quo.

fatbass wrote:

I'm not afraid to see what MUST happen in order to leave my progeny any liberty at all.

And you think that I’m afraid because I don’t support your candidate? Really? That is inaccurate on so many levels its laughable. How about this as a starting point? Congress MUST stop the spending. And in order for Congress to do that they MUST have and work with an administration that is firmly grounded in principles that can actually work. We certainly DON’T have that administration now and we wouldn’t have that administration (in my opinion) with Ron Paul.

fatbass wrote:

It is literally impossible for you or anybody else to justify the debt that we, as a country have accumulated over the last decade and you, like the rest of the 99% don't care enough to make the hard choices.

Just exactly where or when did I ever try to justify the National debt? And you claim to know with certainty that I don’t care enough just because I don’t support Ron Paul? Are you actually listening to yourself? You are absolutely, 100% clueless about what I do and do not care about.

One more thing; I’d like to take this opportunity to wish you and ALL the users and viewers on PN a very Happy Thanksgiving. Yes, even Pinhead, Lefty, and Travis. I truly hope that all of you and your families have something to be thankful for in your daily lives in the trying times we find ourselves in these days. Go Detroit and bring on the turkey.

I'd support Daffy Effing Duck, if he was for ending the Bush tax cuts and
raising taxes on the wealthy... If you are concerned about the deficit that's what
its going to take.

Speaking of Constitutional Scholars, How's Mike Lee and his Super PAC
coming along for you Libertarian simp's??


HAPPY TURKEY DAY!!!

dubob wrote:

fatbass wrote:

I'm not afraid to see what MUST happen in order to leave my progeny any liberty at all.

And you think that I’m afraid because I don’t support your candidate? Really? That is inaccurate on so many levels its laughable. How about this as a starting point? Congress MUST stop the spending. And in order for Congress to do that they MUST have and work with an administration that is firmly grounded in principles that can actually work. We certainly DON’T have that administration now and we wouldn’t have that administration (in my opinion) with Ron Paul.

What other conclusion can one have? You must like massive loads of debt, because you support people who will INCREASE the debt! Only ONE candidate actually adheres to the Principles this nation was founded upon, and it is NOT Rick Perry, nor Herman Cain! You call Ron Paul all kinds of names, and accuse him of being "nuts", that speaks volumes of what you think of the Founders......

dubob wrote:

fatbass wrote:

It is literally impossible for you or anybody else to justify the debt that we, as a country have accumulated over the last decade and you, like the rest of the 99% don't care enough to make the hard choices.

Just exactly where or when did I ever try to justify the National debt? And you claim to know with certainty that I don’t care enough just because I don’t support Ron Paul? Are you actually listening to yourself? You are absolutely, 100% clueless about what I do and do not care about.

Your support of a candidate, or candidates who will INCREASE the national debt, mandates one using logic to conclude you justify it! Its not about Ron Paul, its about the policies of ALL the other candidates, NONE of which are Constitutionally grounded!!!!

voiceofreason wrote:

I'd support Daffy Effing Duck, if he was for ending the Bush tax cuts and
raising taxes on the wealthy... If you are concerned about the deficit that's what
its going to take.

Really? Tell me oh wise one, how will raising taxes on the wealthy reduce the deficit? The government could STEAL every penny the richest 5%, let alone the richest 1%, have and it wouldn't make hardly a dent in the deficit. And then, what would we have as far as an economy and jobs? Theft can NEVER lead to long term prosperity, at least not for the citizens. Those in power will prosper, but the rest will suffer!

"Really? Tell me oh wise one, how will raising taxes on the wealthy reduce the deficit? The government could STEAL every penny the richest 5%, let alone the richest 1%, have and it wouldn't make hardly a dent in the deficit. And then, what would we have as far as an economy and jobs? Theft can NEVER lead to long term prosperity, at least not for the citizens. Those in power will prosper, but the rest will suffer!"

You are still buying in to the nonsense that your Capitalist, Libertarian snake oil pitch men are selling about the deficit being more important than jobs. Not correct and nothing more than a shell game for the weak of mind.

Here is how it works. You tell every corporation that is sitting on a wad of dough that they get a tax break for hiring, expansion, purchases and bringing jobs and capital back to U.S shores. Tax rates are going up and if they wish to enjoy the same effective tax rates as they have in the past this is how it will now be done. Right now they are creating their own tax breaks by purchasing politicians. End that B.S. and have them put more workers back to work.

Think of it as FORCING THE TRICKLE DOWN THAT IS SUPPOSED TO EXIST NOW BUT DOESN'T.

dubob wrote:

Interesting; Pro now speaks for Fatbass. That's probably just as well. Neither of you has the vaguest idea about what I do, or do not, believe.

I swear, you are such a whiny ass bitch. Are you so damn dumb that you think only the person you list by name is 'allowed' to respond to your nonsensical posts? Put the purse down and grow a pair!! I come up with opinions of what you do/don't believe based on YOUR comments, if you are so inadequate at stating your beliefs, that is YOUR fault....

dubob wrote:

You refuse to accept the fact that Libertarians have never been, are not now, and in all likelihood will never be a force on the national political scene. This would include Ron Paul. Yes, I know, he is listed as the Republican Representative for the 14th District. Well, a rose by any other name. . .

I am NOT a Libertarian, I am a libertarian. I know I am taking a great risk assuming you are smart enoough to know the difference...... Ron Paul is someone who actually believes AND follows the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and the core Principles of the Founders. A rose indeed!

dubob wrote:

Ron Paul IS a Libertarian and even ran as one in the 1988 Presidential race. To show you just exactly how powerful and well thought of Libertarians are in this country, there are exactly none, zip, nada, zero REGISTERED Libertarians holding a national office. So Pro, Fatbass, if you want to back a loser, have at it. Last time I checked you still have that right.

So, with this litmus test of yours, care to explain YOUR support of Rick Perry? You know, the guy who ran Al Gore Jr's presidential campaign in 1988? Ironic how that was the SAME year Ron Paul 'dared' run as a Libertarian.......

I would rather support a 'loser' than support a progressive that is hell bent on destroying my country.....just saying.....

voiceofreason wrote:

You are still buying in to the nonsense that your Capitalist, Libertarian snake oil pitch men are selling about the deficit being more important than jobs. Not correct and nothing more than a shell game for the weak of mind.

Here is how it works. You tell every corporation that is sitting on a wad of dough that they get a tax break for hiring, expansion, purchases and bringing jobs and capital back to U.S shores. Tax rates are going up and if they wish to enjoy the same effective tax rates as they have in the past this is how it will now be done. Right now they are creating their own tax breaks by purchasing politicians. End that B.S. and have them put more workers back to work.

Think of it as FORCING THE TRICKLE DOWN THAT IS SUPPOSED TO EXIST NOW BUT DOESN'T.

I truly am astounded at your ignorance. Tell me, if the rich are as 'greedy' as you assert, why are they holding onto their money and not expanding or increasing profits? If you would use that HUGE melon for something besides a ear wax warehouse you would realize that the economic climate is the cause of their hesitance to expand/invest/hire. And it is your lovely POTUS and the corrupt Congress that have created such a climate.

Freaking great idea, threaten to tax the hell out of them unless they comply to the demands of government. The government can NEVER 'make' businesses hire more workers without first being tyrannical and have removed all semblances of liberty and freedom. Force is NEVER good, and NEVER leads to more Liberty/freedom, NEVER!

I call BULLSHIT! You started a thread in support of Rick Perry. In fact, that is when you first got all butt hurt and 'offended' by my calling you a progressive. Dishonesty is not a desirable trait.......

Gentlemen, easy now!

dubob wrote:

proutdoors wrote:

I call BULLSHIT! You started a thread in support of Rick Perry.

If the thread you are referring to is this one: http://www.politicalnecrosis.com/t761-rick-perry?highlight=rick+perry, then it is you that are being dishonest. As you can plainly see I did not start that thread; shotgunwill started it. But hey, why let a little thing like the truth get in your way.

Did I clearly state unequivocally that I support Gov. Perry for President? Not hardly! What I did say was I was glad he was in the race. What I did say was he had an excellent job creation record in his state. What I did say was I didn’t think (and still don’t) that he is a progressive. What I did say was that he realized he had made a mistake when he issued an executive order to make a vaccine for the human papillomavirus, a cause of cervical cancer, mandatory for girls entering sixth grade.

What I didn’t do was say he was the only viable candidate available and everybody should vote for him. So why do you insist that I support him? How is it that you are so all powerful that you know who I support when I haven’t even made that decision for myself? Could it be that not only do you speak for Fatbass but you also speak for everybody else on this forum? I guess I never got that memo.

proutdoors wrote:

In fact, that is when you first got all butt hurt and 'offended' by my calling you a progressive.

Say what? You are sadly mistaken if you seriously believe that anything you have to say politically will ever have an emotional effect on me. And just for the record, you never actually called me a progressive anywhere in that thread. You insinuated that every politician except Ron Paul is one, but you never actually called me one as well.

Now if you were in fact referring to some other thread than the one I listed the link for above, please point me to the correct thread so I can address your foggy recollection on that one.

I read what Pro wrote and agreed with his response in this case. Enjoy your preferred RINO, whoever it ends up being.
Remember to tell your grandkids that you didn't have the balls to vote for their freedom and liberties 'cause you preferred voting for an "electable" puppet instead of the candidate that could have restored the rule of law and broken the chains of financial slavery.

"Remember to tell your grandkids that you didn't have the balls to vote for their freedom and liberties 'cause you preferred voting for an "electable" puppet instead of the candidate that could have restored the rule of law and broken the chains of financial slavery."

Kind of makes me want to grab the gun and "take My Country Back"!!!

HA HA

Like I said when this site first popped up. The GOP will eat itself by trying to prove which candidate is the most Shite..

CLASSIC