Same-Sex Marriage in Cali: Prop 8 Closing Arguments

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So, about gay marriages in Kali.......

I think someone tried to kill the thread so we didn't talk about the issue.

I think it will be interesting how this turns out. My guess is the court is going to overturn it. That said I will go on the record and say I think the law is wrong but I have no say in it.

luv2fsh&hnt wrote:

I think it will be interesting how this turns out. My guess is the court is going to overturn it. That said I will go on the record and say I think the law is wrong but I have no say in it.

I concur. This will end up at the SCOTUS, where it will likely be overturned.

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I think it will be interesting how this turns out. My guess is the court is going to overturn it. That said I will go on the record and say I think the law is wrong but I have no say in it.

Why do you believe the law is wrong? The majority of the voters didn't want gay marriage in their society.

Let's see how well I know the Pro....

I bet he says that because he believes that government has no right to tell us what we can and can't do in our adult relationships.

Close enough Pro?

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I bet he says that because he believes that government has no right to tell us what we can and can't do in our adult relationships.

True the government shouldn't intrude on people's lives.

coyoteslayer wrote:

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I bet he says that because he believes that government has no right to tell us what we can and can't do in our adult relationships.

True the government should intrude on people's lives.

Don't you mean shouldn't?

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Don't you mean shouldn't?

Yeah, sorry

But I also believe that citizens should be able to vote on what type of behavior is acceptable in a society.

coyoteslayer wrote:

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I think it will be interesting how this turns out. My guess is the court is going to overturn it. That said I will go on the record and say I think the law is wrong but I have no say in it.

Why do you believe the law is wrong? The majority of the voters didn't want gay marriage in their society.

For one thing I don't buy all the garbage about gay marriage going to be the end of society. There are gay couples living together in committed relationships raising children and everythingelse just like married straight people. I doubt that gay people will ever be a majority here in the states or anywhere else in the world. I understand the voters approved the amendment to the state constitution and in a pure democracy it would probably stand. We don't live in a pure democracy but rather a representative republic.

shotgunwill wrote:

Let's see how well I know the Pro....

I bet he says that because he believes that government has no right to tell us what we can and can't do in our adult relationships.

Close enough Pro?

Damn skippy!

cs, tyranny by the majority is still tyranny.

coyoteslayer wrote:

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So, about gay marriages in Kali.......

I think someone tried to kill the thread so we didn't talk about the issue.

No, I don't think anyone tried to kill the thread; however, someone did set the record straight by pointing out your blatant plagiarism.

I too think this will end up in front of the SCOTUS. The law should stay the way it is in my opinion. I do not support same sex marriage. Never have, never will. In fact, I'm rather certain that nearly all of The Founders of our great country would be shocked that this issue is even on the table for consideration.

proutdoors wrote:

shotgunwill wrote:

Let's see how well I know the Pro....

I bet he says that because he believes that government has no right to tell us what we can and can't do in our adult relationships.

Close enough Pro?

Damn skippy!

cs, tyranny by the majority is still tyranny.

A-FREAKING-MEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Luv2huntfish, I agree people need to be able to choose what type of lifestyle they want to live otherwise they wouldn't have free-agency.

BUT Society and Religion will never accept their immoral behaviors, and gays should be willing to accept that.

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No, I don't think anyone tried to kill the thread; however, someone did set the record straight by pointing out your blatant plagiarism.

You still worried about that? No one else is.

coyoteslayer wrote:

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No, I don't think anyone tried to kill the thread; however, someone did set the record straight by pointing out your blatant plagiarism.

You still worried about that? No one else is.

Why would I be worried about anything, and how do you now what everyone else thinks Jester? Time for bed little buddy. Go wash your face, brush your teeth, and have mamma tuck you in. Sleep well, and don't you worry. We'll play again tomorrow.

coyoteslayer wrote:

Luv2huntfish, I agree people need to be able to choose what type of lifestyle they want to live otherwise they wouldn't have free-agency.

BUT Society and Religion will never accept their immoral behaviors, and gays should be willing to accept that.

Morals are subjective and as far as I am concerned those that judge others because of what they suspect is going on in their bedroom and beliieve they are better than those people because of their supposed superior morals are in fact the immoral ones.

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Morals are subjective and as far as I am concerned those that judge others because of what they suspect is going on in their bedroom and beliieve they are better than those people because of their supposed superior morals are in fact the immoral ones

I disagree, just because someone doesn't believe that someone else's lifestyle is good/moral doesn't make that people immoral. They might love the person, but dislike the behavior. Many people/Religions believe that homosexuality is a sin and nothing is going to change that.

If Gay marriage is legal then society and Religion still doesn't have to accept their lifestyle. Gay couples shouldn't bitch about it either.

coyoteslayer wrote:

If Gay marriage is legal then society and Religion still doesn't have to accept their lifestyle. Gay couples shouldn't bitch about it either.

No one is saying you have to accept it. Go ahead and condemn it, preach against, ridicule it, berate it, just don't have the government wield your 'righteous' sword.

proutdoors wrote:

coyoteslayer wrote:

If Gay marriage is legal then society and Religion still doesn't have to accept their lifestyle. Gay couples shouldn't bitch about it either.

No one is saying you have to accept it. Go ahead and condemn it, preach against, ridicule it, berate it, just don't have the government wield your 'righteous' sword.

I already said that the goverment shouldn't intrude on people's lives. People need their free-agency so they can be judged according to their works upon the earth.

I was responding to LUV2huntfish because he said people are immoral if they judge others when God has already made it clear that homosexuality is a sin.

luv2fsh&hnt wrote:

coyoteslayer wrote:

Luv2huntfish, I agree people need to be able to choose what type of lifestyle they want to live otherwise they wouldn't have free-agency.

BUT Society and Religion will never accept their immoral behaviors, and gays should be willing to accept that.

Morals are subjective and as far as I am concerned those that judge others because of what they suspect is going on in their bedroom and beliieve they are better than those people because of their supposed superior morals are in fact the immoral ones.

Ding Ding Ding ladies and gentlemen we have a winner.

I think the question of gay marriage should be left to local municipalities. Just like states shouldn't be overly subjected to federal government interference, so should cities/counties. Coyoteslayer unintentionally pointed out an important item in my opinion. Societies dictate what is acceptable within them, this is one of the main motivators of expansion. When a group of people within a society are unhappy with the values of where they lived and or were/are governed, they moved and created or joined new societies with similar interests and values.

My thought is that Utah county, Utah is going to probably not legalize same sex marriage ay time soon. On the flip side, Humboldt county california may see nothing wrong with i, why not govern (Or not) accordingly? I think states or federal governments making blanket policies an all but a few subjects fails to address these calico societal issues, whether they be gays seeking tolerance, mormons fleeing persecution or Jim Jones finding the promised land, they should all have the liberty to do so.

In my opinion and I only bring this up because it's an example I think we can all familiarize ourselves with, LDS people should be very in touch with being outcasts of what societies deem acceptable and normal, but on the flip side I can't imagine why they as a whole reject someone's different beliefs, no matter how radical they may seem in relation to their core beliefs and principles.

More simply, the government at ANY/ALL levels should not be concerned who marries who! Leave that to the churches and the individuals.

I agree 100% I was attempting at an easier to swallow version for folks hell bent on forcing their morals on the rest of society.

To qote you; "More simply", coyotelayer.

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I agree 100% I was attempting at an easier to swallow version for folks hell bent on forcing their morals on the rest of society.

To qote you; "More simply", coyotelayer.

First of all, lets get one thing straight. I'm not hell bent on forcing my morals on anyone else. People need to have their own free-agency to pick and choose what type of lifestyle they want to live.

When Gay marriage is made legal then gays need to quit playing the victim card if society and religion still says that it's wrong.

FDR Dont miss quote what I said.

BTW, I hope that was simple enough for you.