Pepper spray and 8 year old

I am not quite sure how I feel about the police pepper spraying an unruly 8 year old. But sounds like this kid is out of control and maybe it was the only safe option available to officers. One thing that I am sure about though is this mother needs training not the police officers learn how to control your kid, I understand kids have a mind of their own and get into trouble, but this sounds like more than just an outburst here and there, it sounds like there is an underlying issue that needs to be addressed. I don't think blaming others is going to help get it taken care of. Here is the link to the story http://www.ksl.com/?nid=157&sid=15033095

The kid had ripped a hunk of chair rail off the wall and was threatening others with it... Now do the Cops, Teachers and other Students have the right to make it home without being impaled by a hunk of trim???

The little prick is lucky he didn't ride he lightning!!! He would have left with curly hair if I was the Cop on scene!!!

The kid needs more than just a taze! How dare the loser mom go on national TV to celebrate her absolute failure of parenthood; have you no pride at all or is is just about being a celebrity in this reality show age?

Huge29 wrote:

The kid needs more than just a taze! How dare the loser mom go on national TV to celebrate her absolute failure of parenthood; have you no pride at all or is is just about being a celebrity in this reality show age?

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I have deployed OC a couple dozen times and they all end up acting like an 8 year old. A snotty, blubbering, red-faced 8 year old having a meltdown.

voiceofreason wrote:

The kid had ripped a hunk of chair rail off the wall and was threatening others with it... Now do the Cops, Teachers and other Students have the right to make it home without being impaled by a hunk of trim???

The little prick is lucky he didn't ride he lightning!!! He would have left with curly hair if I was the Cop on scene!!!

So,your quite the tough guy, with an 8 year old.
Maybe one day he will grow up to kill cops. I'm sure he will never be of any help to them, a pepetual response of "I didn't see or hear anything" while being questioned about the nuclear explosion next door.

So it would be acceptable to wait till the kid had stabbed a couple other kids, or the teacher or maybe a cop before spraying his ass??

It would be acceptable to step in there, grab the little snot nose by the nape of his neck, lift him off the ground, throw him over your knee and paddle him so he couldn't sit for a while.

Mano on childo.

If your not man enough to take down an 8 year old with a stick, how you gonna do against a 19 yr old gang banger with a 9mm.

Using anything other than your flat open hand applied breifly and multiple times to the glutus maximus is abuse, IMHO.

School systems are so scared of lawsuits they cant even mange a 8 year old kid. Good Grief . Back in the day the teacher would have put a pine board to my ass , called my parents and and i would have been punished again when i got home.

"Using anything other than your flat open hand applied breifly and multiple times to the glutus maximus is abuse, IMHO."

Because this approach has a proven track record of working like a champ with this kid right???

Perhaps the kid will "never be of any help to them" but he will remember the last time I didn't do what I was asked by an officer it didn't end well right??

voiceofreason wrote:

"Using anything other than your flat open hand applied breifly and multiple times to the glutus maximus is abuse, IMHO."

Because this approach has a proven track record of working like a champ with this kid right???

Perhaps the kid will "never be of any help to them" but he will remember the last time I didn't do what I was asked by an officer it didn't end well right??

So, you've already done this to the 8 year old?

Yes, and he'll be thinking that while he squeezes the trigger and mutters "never again".

D. I. D. Seems to me that if this little prince had a spear and was chasing his fellow classmates and teachers around that he had already hit the point of never again ya think???

Look I'm not sure what point you are trying to make here. If you were to put yourself in those officers shoes you can't tell me that you wouldn't need a damn good reason to put this little lord out of commission sooner rather than later. If it took a shot of pepper spray or some high voltage then that is what it takes.

I will ask you again how many of his fellow classmates or teachers need to be speared before you end the situation??

voiceofreason wrote:

D. I. D. Seems to me that if this little prince had a spear and was chasing his fellow classmates and teachers around that he had already hit the point of never again ya think???

Look I'm not sure what point you are trying to make here. If you were to put yourself in those officers shoes you can't tell me that you wouldn't need a damn good reason to put this little lord out of commission sooner rather than later. If it took a shot of pepper spray or some high voltage then that is what it takes.

I will ask you again how many of his fellow classmates or teachers need to be speared before you end the situation??

How many were?

Sorry if your not able to handle children without spray chemicals or lightening bolts fired from afar. It is a common problem for the weak of body and mind.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110407/ap_on_re_us/us_child_pepper_sprayed

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So I guess the teachers, kids, the kid that got sprayed and the kids mom are all weak of body and mind like me right??? YONNI is D. I. D. a plant here??? PRO or BASSY is this really one of you two numbnuts stroking old VOR??? No one is really this detached from reality right??

voiceofreason wrote:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110407/ap_on_re_us/us_child_pepper_sprayed

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So I guess the teachers, kids, the kid that got sprayed and the kids mom are all weak of body and mind like me right??? YONNI is D. I. D. a plant here??? PRO or BASSY is this really one of you two numbnuts stroking old VOR??? No one is really this detached from reality right??

Just like Richard Dryfuss in the movie, "I was invited"

I spent more time than I would have liked wading into bar fights between Marines, Never needed any pepper spray then, I wouldn't need it now.

Give that little monster to Huge, Pro or me for a summer, we'll have him opening doors and saying MaM and Sir at the end of every sentenence.

OK, maybe a full year for this one.

No, I had nothing to do with this thread, BUT I do find myself agreeing more with Displaced in the Desert than with voiceofnonsense, on THIS topic. How can a cop 'need' pepper spray to get an EIGHT YEAR OLD under control? This is nothing more than abuse, and the mother, no matter how terrible of a parent, should sue the police department and the school. The day I can't get an EIGHT YEAR OLD under control w/o pepper spray is the day I slit my wrists. The mother is overwhelmed by this boy, that is clear, but how in the hell does pepper spraying her EIGHT YEAR OLD kid help her/him? This boy needs structure, discipline, and guidance, NOT pepper spray!

proutdoors wrote:

No, I had nothing to do with this thread, BUT I do find myself agreeing more with Displaced in the Desert than with voiceofnonsense, on THIS topic. How can a cop 'need' pepper spray to get an EIGHT YEAR OLD under control? This is nothing more than abuse, and the mother, no matter how terrible of a parent, should sue the police department and the school. The day I can't get an EIGHT YEAR OLD under control w/o pepper spray is the day I slit my wrists. The mother is overwhelmed by this boy, that is clear, but how in the hell does pepper spraying her EIGHT YEAR OLD kid help her/him? This boy needs structure, discipline, and guidance, NOT pepper spray!

You really surprise me with this one. even the mother's initial reaction was "well, you probably deserved it." A boy out of control with a weapon who has been a problem, two other times??, and I am to risk my well being for this kid who is out of control and will not obey commands from the officer? No way, that is what pepper spray is for. I think I would be fine myself in taking care of my own kid that way, but I think I would do the same as the officer if I were in his shoes with this kid's history. He has no permanent side effects and learned a lesson that day about what happens when there is a lack of discipline.

I gotta side with VOR on this one.

I remember getting spanked at school, it sucked. And it definitely made me think twice about being dumb, because invariably I got spanked a second time at home. Now, I can see where if the little shit were to have ridden the lightning, there might have been a problem, but I think the officer did what he thought was best. Who wants to be known for making an eight year old ride the lightning, or for having shot and killed a little snot like that? Isn't that what the non-lethal methods for? Subduing problem people?

He was EIGHT YEARS OLD people! What kind of wuss needs pepper spray to "subdue" an EIGHT YEAR OLD? What kind of society have we become that we applaud such actions?

PROphylactic and Douche in the Desert, what does proving ones manhood have to do with gaining control of this situation. So if you took the kid down and put him in a rear naked choke and put him to sleep temporarily would that be acceptable??

I will side with the teacher and the police EVERY time. They are the pro's here.
If they made the decision to do this you can probably bet the had reason.

It mentioned in the article that they were farmiliar with this little jewel and had talked him down before. Pretty sure they knew what they were doing.

Structure; Get up, dress, cereal, Feed horses, call in cows, change clothes, wait for school bus. After school. Take out garbage, vacume for your mother, call in cows, check troughs for water and fill, call in cows, go out to far gate and close it after counting to see all cows are in. Get into parlor to see what help you can be, homework, supper, 1/2 hour ov TV, IF YOU WERE GOOD ALL DAY.

Discipline; Don't do any of the above in a timely, proud to be doing it manner, forget TV. Expect added chores on weekend.

Guidance; Dad is there for every bit of it except school. There to teach, console and to help with that heavy gate, there to say, "Good job son, I'm proud of you. Your going to be quite the man if you keep this up" There to let them drive the tractor, there to rebuild a 4 wheeler for them, there to throw the ball, there to catch it.

I suspect Dad is nowhere near, let alone to be found. Mom is overwhelmed and the kid has the upper hand over everyone.
The kid has been a problem before, so this should have been done a long time ago, no one cared to get this under control when it should have been done. Is there ADHD involved? I'm no doctor, but there could be physical and mental issues with this kid.

The kid himself knows he is a problem, he's screaming for help to control it, he's screaming for someone to give him structure, Discipline and Guidance.

Instead he gets pepper spray, a TV clip to reinforce that this behavior will get him the attention he craves and then it's back to the same old, same old until he actually hurts someone.

voiceofreason wrote:

PROphylactic and Douche in the Desert, what does proving ones manhood have to do with gaining control of this situation. So if you took the kid down and put him in a rear naked choke and put him to sleep temporarily would that be acceptable??

I will side with the teacher and the police EVERY time. They are the pro's here.
If they made the decision to do this you can probably bet the had reason.

It mentioned in the article that they were farmiliar with this little jewel and had talked him down before. Pretty sure they knew what they were doing.

Well it didn't take me long to get called names, less than 48 hours. When some keyboard commando resorts to calling names I know I have won. I know that they can no longer use logic to argue with me, I know they are not as smart as I am and do not have the common sense I do.
It's a good feeling.
Thanks VOR, you've made my day.

Wow some very compelling points on both sides, I am going to have to think this one over some more. With my current children attending a local public elementary I have to say I have been let down, but I have come to realize it's not necessarily the fault of the staff. My daughter has been abused by another student (physically, not sexually) and when brought to our attention we did something, we know the parents so that helped. But the schools have their hands tied as to what they can do for discipline. One thing I have noticed is that many kids these days grow up way too fast, being in a single parent house, low income, being exposed to drugs, prostitutes, sex on the TV all day long, exposure to violence on TV or with parents, parents not giving the attention they need, etc. We had parent teacher conference a couple of weeks ago and the teacher for my son in 1st grade was at her wits end. The students don't do homework, they are not behaved, now all the kids are swearing- including the f-bomb. How can a public teacher teach when there are no basic things being taught at home.

Seems like this kid was like the rest, parents are putting their own responsibilities into the schools hands and when the schools have to do a parents job conflicts occur for obvious reasons. Yes Pro we have become "that" society, too many parents have shirked their responsibilities and we have a situation like what happened to this boy. Where is Dad? Why hasn't mom found a "father" figure for him?