Good on Utah

Utah is refusing to accept federal dollars for unemployment, good on them. This is the first step in weaning our selves off of the government and getting the budget in check. http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=14983305

TheLovelyJennifer wrote:

[color=violet]No unemployment = no money from consumers going into the economy = less revenue for business = more layoffs = more people with no money to put back into the economy ... and so on

You payed a little bit of attention in economics except for the part where govt spending helps the economy. It doesn't govt spending has never helped the economy it didn't help during the depression and it hasn't worked now. If govt spending helped us out of economic troubles we would be out of a recession right now and The Great Depression wouldn't have lasted over a decade. Guess what the The Great Depression did last over a decade and we are still in a recession. You want one sure way to get us out of this recession, drop our taxes to unbelievable rates like 10-15%. Then you will see the economy recovery very quickly, and not only that the govt's revenue would jump and we might have some money to pay for all the bs the govt pays for. The fact of the matter is, it is not the govt's job to support the people, it is the peoples job to support the people. This idea that we deserve money from the govt because we don't have a job is crazy. It should be private individuals and organizations supporting those in need. All this entitlement spending is one of the reasons that the govt is out of money and you are out of a job. Maybe you should talk to your CEO and get him to make some smart decisions, but we both know that will not happen. The biggest financial problems he has ever had was trying to figure out how much is in his piggy bank.

huntingbuddy wrote:

it is the peoples job to support the people. This idea that we deserve money from the govt because we don't have a job is crazy. It should be private individuals and organizations supporting those in need. All this entitlement spending is one of the reasons that the govt is out of money and you are out of a job. Maybe you should talk to your CEO and get him to make some smart decisions, but we both know that will not happen. The biggest financial problems he has ever had was trying to figure out how much is in his piggy bank.

So are you saying my family and I can come to your house for dinner? I have no Gov't paycheck and I don't know when I'll be going back to work (the dummies can't get the budget sorted out) and my unemployment ran out. I can bring extra chairs.

I paid more than a little attention in economics (and civics); mind you we had a more ethical government (legislature and administration) during the Great Depression; the war was TONS bigger with TONS more casualties (see bread-winners) and the rolls of the unemployed were unskilled people suddenly put in a situation where they had to find work. Now we have a hugely experienced and educated labor pool to choose from and companies are being quite picky about who they hire, leaving many qualified people in a place they never dreamed they'd be.

We have been ever so slowly coming up out of the so-called Great Recession: the numbers are there; you can't expect someone to push a button and boom: Recession is over NOW. These things take time. Now we're dealing with inflation which doesn't show any signs of slowing down anytime soon ... might have another recession, but who has the magic crystal ball? Not me.

TLJ

Ummmm...I see 2 kinds of unemployed. Those that wait around for their old job to come back and those that actively pursue new employment.
Good on Utah for drying up the "free money" tap and forcing the unemployed to actually GO OUT AND FIND WORK. Believe me, it's there.

Living wage....code for SOCIALISM!

I hate to see anyone lose their job. I lost an excellent job 2 1/2 years ago. BUT, and its a BIG but, it is inane to expect for people to always have a great job, as if they are owed such. It is up to me, and me alone to improve my economic situation. Bailing out companies is foolish, and so is bailing out individuals.

We MUST cut spending, we MUST cut taxes, we MUST cut regulations, if we are to ever see real and sustained economic recovery in this country. Anything else is a recipe for disaster.

Competition is GOOD, for the country and for the individual. A business does better when they have competition, both for customers and for employees.

Far too many look for work, instead of creating work by starting a business of their own. Now is an excellent time to control your own destiny.

TLJ Will you marry me??? Finally someone with a freaking lick of sense ( besides me ) around here!!!

The Tea Bag koolaid drinkers are cutting their own throats faster than I expected. They will come out of this shutdown looking like the extremist freaks they are.

Boo to the Tea Bag posers in Utah.

Rock on TLJ

My dad worked for my uncle (his little brother) for 15 years in his plumbing company and did all his books (my dad is a cpa) When my uncle couldn't handle all of it himself he stepped in to help. 15 years of hard dedicated work, I spend a good portion of my teenage years wondering when my dad would come home from work. My dad spent a lot of late night working making sure that all the bills were paid and that the employees got their pay and that the business ran smoothly. There were a lot of times I the only time I saw my dad was on the weekends, he put a lot of heart and sweat into that company, it probably helped that it used to be his dads company and wanted to see it do well. When the economy went sour my dad lent my uncle 50k of his own money to pay the companies taxes so the govt wouldn't shut them down, and his health has pretty much gone to shit cause of all the long hours that he put in. In august of 2009 my uncle fired my dad, and still hasn't paid him his 50k back with nothing in sight of ever paying it back. My dad still hasn't found a job yet, right now he is do some accounting stuff for a for a family friend who has a accounting firm. Its not glamorous stuff and it isn't what he wants but it pays the bills. My dad tried for months to get good paying jobs with companies but nobody would hire him. He spent hours filling out job applications and sending out resumes and doing interviews. Not one job. Right now he is doing something he hates but he does it cause he has to, he would like to start his own business and fend for himself and not worry if an employer is going to fire him. My dad got screwed by my uncle, my uncle never even to offered to let my dad have some ownership in the company even though it was a family business my grandpa started. Now my dad is essentially out of a job and 50k so Jennifer tell me where the hell is the fairness in that? My dad deserves a good paying job, my dad deserves a lot but he doesn't have it.

So sorry if I have no sympathy for you, but your the exact person the political cartoon on this website is describing. You think the govt owes you, well guess what it doesn't. The only thing you have a right to is what is guaranteed by the bill of rights. You are not entitled to a high paying job just cause you have a degree or were trained in the job, you are not entitle to have a car, you are not entitled to own a house. You really aren't entitled to anything, so get off your fat ass and go get a job. There is a guy at my work who moved here from california 2 months ago cause there are no jobs in california. In the two months he has been here he has 3 jobs cause he keeps finding better jobs. The jobs are out there they are not glamorous, or what your degree my be in but they will put money in your bank account. If you have to get a job arbys to pay the bills then do it, there is nothing wrong with working to pay your bills and put food on the table. I don't have the career I want right now cause cities aren't hiring police officers, but I am willing to take whatever jobs I need to right now until the time comes when they do hire police officers, I am not going to sit on my ass and complain that there are no jobs and expect the govt to provide for me. Go to a staffing agency and fill out an application and they will put you in a job, or check out www.indeed.com but get off your ass and stop bitching about your situation and do something about it.

Sorry about my rant but I don't work hard and neither does my dad, so you can sit at home and bitch about not having a job. My dad did something about his situation and is still striving to improve it so how about you do the same. Salt Lake is like number 3 in the nation for job growth, there are jobs here. If you already have a job then good for you, keep looking to get a better job, but don't expect others to cover for you cause you dont have the job you want.

p.s. I do donate to non-profit organizations that help the poor and needy.

huntingbuddy wrote:

So sorry if I have no sympathy for you, but your the exact person the political cartoon on this website is describing. You think the govt owes you, well guess what it doesn't. The only thing you have a right to is what is guaranteed by the bill of rights. You are not entitled to a high paying job just cause you have a degree or were trained in the job, you are not entitle to have a car, you are not entitled to own a house. You really aren't entitled to anything, so get off your fat ass and go get a job. .... I am not going to sit on my ass and complain that there are no jobs and expect the govt to provide for me. Go to a staffing agency and fill out an application and they will put you in a job, or check out www.indeed.com but get off your ass and stop bitching about your situation and do something about it.

If you already have a job then good for you, keep looking to get a better job, but don't expect others to cover for you cause you dont have the job you want.

(1) My ass is NOT fat
(2) I have a job, working for the federal government, which they are threatening to shut down.
(3) I wasn't bitching that I'm not getting what Utah turned down (unemployment benefits), but there are some that may still need that little boost (those 23,432 people 13 weeks without money, would not have anywhere from $1,874,560 to $3,514,800 per WEEK to spend on JUST groceries in Utah's economy ... that's $24,369,280 to $45,692,400 no spent on JUST groceries in 13 weeks in Utah's economy
(4) The government DOES owe me; it owes me ethics, it owes me honesty, integrity and the sense of servitude towards the voters (of which I am one) - not greed for pet projects (they want to shut down the gov't but the lady senator from WA wants her bridge project funded anyway)
(5) I'm sorry your dad is in dire straits - isn't there a code somewhere that says "Never do business with family"?
(6) If I'm home and not in the work-force, I am still working: try to tell ANY housewife/mother she doesn't work hard and she will knock you on your ass right then and there!

TLJ

At one point in my life I had been laid off from my engineering position at Iomega. Had 2 kids in high school. Lived on my 401k for 2 months and had to take a $12.00/hr job. Then had to take another. So I was working 2 full-time jobs in order to make the house payment and bills. NEVER took one penny of government money from any agency. I worked both jobs for over a year until I got a promotion at one job that would pay the bills.
At an earlier point in my life I was 23 years old, wife and 2 kids, lost a high-paying power plant construction job when several plants were cancelled. We were so poor we qualified for food stamps and welfare but instead I decided to MOVE TO WHERE A GOOD PAYING JOB WAS. Again, I NEVER accepted a penny of assistance.

I have no sympathy for the lazy and no respect for anyone taking assistance in lieu of applying themselves. Root hog or die.

And anyone that has bellied up to the trough of unionized work in a non-dangerous avocation deserves nothing but derision and scorn. Teachers especially.

Life is feakin tough, for everybody right now, it sucks when we are at the whims of the federal government. As a full time student my budget is so tight Dave Ramsey would even be impressed. We all have our financial differences, unfortunately I believe the tough times have just started. This is a great thread so far, and I hope it continues to be, remember that finances are a touchy issue, it is one of the main causes of divorce, things could go sour real fast here. Thanks to those who have shared so far!

So is there an appropriate situation where it is okay to receive fed assistance? Say with my tight budget and my wife is prego I would then qualify for food stamps when the child is born is it okay then to accept that assistance? And for how long? Who is to decide what is appropriate for me and my family? I personally believe there is an area where it is appropriate for someone who is truly in need to receive short term benefits. Yet the system has been so convoluted those who don't really need assistance get it and those that need it don't qualify.

TheLovelyJennifer wrote:

(1) My ass is NOT fat It is a figure of speech.
(2) I have a job, working for the federal government, which they are threatening to shut down. You made it sound as if you didn't have a job
(3) I wasn't bitching that I'm not getting what Utah turned down (unemployment benefits), but there are some that may still need that little boost (those 23,432 people 13 weeks without money, would not have anywhere from $1,874,560 to $3,514,800 per WEEK to spend on JUST groceries in Utah's economy ... that's $24,369,280 to $45,692,400 no spent on JUST groceries in 13 weeks in Utah's economy
(4) The government DOES owe me; it owes me ethics, it owes me honesty, integrity and the sense of servitude towards the voters (of which I am one) - not greed for pet projects (they want to shut down the gov't but the lady senator from WA wants her bridge project funded anyway)
(5) I'm sorry your dad is in dire straits - isn't there a code somewhere that says "Never do business with family"? Depends on who you work for. If it is an uncle who uses the company as his own personal bank account then no. You probably shouldn't do business with family.
(6) If I'm home and not in the work-force, I am still working: try to tell ANY housewife/mother she doesn't work hard and she will knock you on your ass right then and there! I never said anything about stay at home moms being lazy or not being worth anything cause they aren't out in the work force. I believe to the contrary, I would rather see more mothers be stay at home moms, I think our country's moral fabric would be in a lot better condition if there were more moms staying home taking care of their children but the is a whole other topic for a different day. I think being a stay at home mom is very noble, I hope my future wife will have the opportunity to be able to do that.

TLJ

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The point of telling about my dad and family was to illustrate that we are all having a hard time with this economy. That doesn't mean though that we deserve anything. What irks me is the entitlement that people feel today. About 2 weeks ago I was reading the Salt Lake Tribune in the Opinions section and a lady sent in her opinion saying that we need to register guns just like we register cars, and yes she knows it is a right, but how we also have a right to have a car. No we don't we don't have a right to own a car, we don't have a right to own a house, we don't have a right to a high paying job, we don't have a right to take others hard earned money and then give it to the poor. Thats what really irritates me is how much the govt under estimates the kindness and generosity of the American people. I can guarantee without a shadow of a doubt that if you took away all welfare programs and entitlement programs i.e. unemployment, medicare, medicade, food stamps etc, I know that the American people would step up big time and make sure that those who truly needed help would not go with out (all without govt help) Not only would they step up but the all goods and money that would be generated would actually go to helping those in need. During Katrina private citizens did more good and helped more people than the govt did and they did it for much less than the govt did. The govt sucks with money, so stop taking my money and telling me that I don't know how to use it and let me decide who I want to help.

HB my friend you are delusional.

voiceofreason wrote:

HB my friend you are delusional.

It takes one to know one.........

voiceofreason wrote:

HB my friend you are delusional.

How so? I am delusional that I want the govt to get their hands out of everybodys pockets. I am delusional that I think that the american people can take care of their own with out the govt. History has shown that I am right, and it will continue to show that the generosity and compassion of the people is much more effective at helping those in need than any amount of govt spending.

You mean like American Corporations will NOT hoard profits and provide jobs like they haven't done for almost 4 years?? You mean CEO's wont take obscene bonuses while they lay off thousands of workers?? OH!! I know you are talking about more and more of our fellow Utahan's going on food stamps, using emergency rooms instead of having a reasonable insurance premium or effective COBRA PLAN.

Seriously!!! Think for half a second!!! That Numbnuts PRO wants to do away with minimum wage and ALL LABOR LAWS cause he trusts the greedy corrupt CEO's to do what they haven't done in almost 4 years. And you are naive enough to think that once you complete the total swing of power and balance you or anybody else will be in any position to help???? Are ya shitting me??

Moderation in all things my friend, moderation.

lackofreason, you wouldn't know moderation if it bit you on your saggy ass!

What is moderate about having pinheads in Washington deciding what an hour of work is worth? There is NOTHING moderate when discussing socialism, which is what YOU advocate!

Also, do NOT put words in my mouth! While I dislike MOST labor laws, there does need to be MINIMAL guidelines to keep individuals/corporations from usurping liberty from other individuals/corporations. You see, that is the SOLE purpose of the federal government: To protect the individual and his/her inalienable rights. The federal government is ill suited, I contend incapable, to micro-manage individuals, the economy, morals, yet dolts like VOR thinks that is what the federal government should be doing on a full time basis.

I am all for getting rid of crony-capitalism, and guess what? The democrats are as likely, if not more so to bail out the likes of GE. The head of GE is Obama's economic adviser for crying out loud! The Obama Admin is loaded with Goldman Sach's executives as well as other Wall Street creeps. Where is YOUR outrage over this? Moderation my ass!

Living wage=socialism. Socialism has NEVER worked! Equal justice is what you see in North Korea, where everyone but the leaders are miserable. I will pass, thank you very much!

" saggy ass!" Cmon now PRO... My ass is pretty damn tight it's the belly that is saggy


So did I read correctly that you, the "Free Marketeer" just advocated Govt Regulations???