Tea Party in Utah

Wow last I looked in Utah there was NEVER REPEAT NEVER any mention of
homosexuality as anything other than an abomination?? Can you provide me any evidence to prove otherwise?????

Now the question of who is setting the educational agenda??? Wasn't it
just a couple years ago that a bunch of tin foil hat wearing bigots threw a shit fit because they didn't want their future dictators to have to listen to a speech given by the ELECTED President Of The United States???

Your spew is nothing short of regurgitated Tea Bag Paranoia. Yep the teachers collectively bargain STRIKE 1. Yep there is Govt. involvement STRIKE 2. Yep kids are going to be subjected to multiple philosophies they may actually have to decipher, consider and think through STRIKE 3.

This is where you may actually have to PARENT. Let your kids make a decision after some thought. And if you have actually done what you are supposed to have done they will generally do what is right. Not every time but most.

If teachers are instilling the values your children have, it ain't on anybody but you pal.

Unlike your opinion of me I actually consider you a pretty smart dude. The constant socialism blast every time you are backed in to a corner is the un-educated way out.

To answer your question concerning individualism. Go right ahead and quit using everything you didn't make with your own hands. Put down every device you didn't invent and patent. Tell me one thing around you that was developed.
produced. marketed. refined and finally perfected by one individual. There is no such thing.

[quote="voiceofreason" Wow last I looked in Utah there was NEVER REPEAT NEVER any mention of
homosexuality as anything other than an abomination?? Can you provide me any evidence to prove otherwise?????[/quote]
Are you that oblivious to what is being taught in schools, even here in Utah? Either you are blind, or clueless. Certain things HAVE to be taught to children because of the NEA and the federal government MANDATING them.

voiceofreason wrote:

Now the question of who is setting the educational agenda??? Wasn't it
just a couple years ago that a bunch of tin foil hat wearing bigots threw a shit fit because they didn't want their future dictators to have to listen to a speech given by the ELECTED President Of The United States???

Yes, parents did get upset that their children were going to be FORCED to listen to political LIES from Obama, as well they should have. School is where kids are supposed to be educated, not taught ideologues. Now, who sets what type of history is taught? Who sets what type of science is taught? Who sets how much sex-ed is taught? Who set up No Child Left Behind? It wasn't the states, and it damn sure wasn't the local school boards/districts, now was it? As for your LAME race baiting......you are better than that....and I expect an apology from you on calling me a bigot! I was one of those parents who expressed very vocally to my daughters principle my concerns on being FORCED to listen to Obama. I oppose Obama on 99.9999999999% of his policies, but the color of his skin has NOTHING to do with it. I also made a stink when my daughter was FORCED to watch An Inconvenient Truth in order to pass a HISTORY class. Does that make me a bigot as well?

voiceofreason wrote:

Your spew is nothing short of regurgitated Tea Bag Paranoia. Yep the teachers collectively bargain STRIKE 1. Yep there is Govt. involvement STRIKE 2. Yep kids are going to be subjected to multiple philosophies they may actually have to decipher, consider and think through STRIKE 3.

Teachers should not be able to strike and hold the children ransom, they should not be able to bargain collectively with those they put in office, that is known in the real world as a conflict of interest! Tell me where in the US Constitution the federal government has any business being involved in the education of the citizens? I am fine with hearing various philosophies, in fact I would love to see that happen, sadly it rarely happens. Kids are taught one thing only most of the time. Tell me, when did ANY of your children learn anything good about capitalism is school? When were they ever taught that FDR prolonged the Great Depression in school? Fact is, the progressive mindset has been the SOLE 'philosophy' taught in public schools for several decades!

voiceofreason wrote:

This is where you may actually have to PARENT. Let your kids make a decision after some thought. And if you have actually done what you are supposed to have done they will generally do what is right. Not every time but most.

I partially agree with you, and that is why my 2 sixth grader daughters and my first grade son are taught at home. My kids DO make decisions, EVERY day. But, WTF does that have to do with some moron telling kids how to put a rubber on a vegetable? School is supposed to teach kids math/history/English/reading/writing/etc....it is not supposed to be teaching them 'morals' and political rubbish.

voiceofreason wrote:

If teachers are instilling the values your children have, it ain't on anybody but you pal.

Why are teachers even trying to instill values in children? That is NOT their proper role!

voiceofreason wrote:

Unlike your opinion of me I actually consider you a pretty smart dude. The constant socialism blast every time you are backed in to a corner is the un-educated way out.

I call it as I see it, and thinking the government is the answer, and that personal accountability is evil and foolish....IS socialism. I think you are smart as well, that is why I wonder how you can believe the nonsense you claim to. You are the dumbest smart guy I know.

voiceofreason wrote:

To answer your question concerning individualism. Go right ahead and quit using everything you didn't make with your own hands. Put down every device you didn't invent and patent. Tell me one thing around you that was developed.
produced. marketed. refined and finally perfected by one individual. There is no such thing.

You really are ignorant.....it is clear you have no idea on what individualism is. It doesn't mean no interaction with others, it certainly doesn't mean no trading/bartering with others. It is truly difficult to have a conversation with someone that has no clue whatsoever about the subject. This is like arguing colors with a deaf, dumb, and blind person. Google individualism and capitalism, then we may have a starting place and can possibly even find some common ground!

"Are you that oblivious to what is being taught in schools, even here in Utah? Either you are blind, or clueless. Certain things HAVE to be taught to children because of the NEA and the federal government MANDATING them."

Like I said show me a little proof... Not rhetoric but proof... You can't because it doesn't exist here in Utah.

"Yes, parents did get upset that their children were going to be FORCED to listen to political LIES from Obama, as well they should have. School is where kids are supposed to be educated, not taught ideologues. Now, who sets what type of history is taught? Who sets what type of science is taught? Who sets how much sex-ed is taught? Who set up No Child Left Behind? It wasn't the states, and it damn sure wasn't the local school boards/districts, now was it?"

The LIE part is your OPINION Right?? The Local School Board through ELECTIONS set exactly the Cirriculum that will be taught. Ya don't like what they approve I'd suggest ya mix in a Democrat every now and then.

NCLB is the biggest joke to be set on Education EVER... Thanks BUSH.
That being said tell me how many of the requirements are in effect In Utah
today??? Last I looked Districts and School Boards had most if not all of the mandates overruled. I didn't single you out as a bigot but if you don't think that plays any part in the reaction at the time you my Brotha are naive. Thats ironic about an inconvieneint truth cause I remember having a rather lively debate concerning Reaganomics in my high school years. Imagine that a teacher with an opinion and agenda.

"Teachers should not be able to strike and hold the children ransom, they should not be able to bargain collectively with those they put in office, that is known in the real world as a conflict of interest!"

Could not disagree more here... Suprise, suprise. Look what happened in Ogden where the rights were stripped. The Union approached the Board
last year and couldn't get ANY TYPE of response. Until they get the letter saying either show up or you are fired. Talk about holding kids hostage. I'd take a long term Union Teacher over "Joe I'll work for nothing" off the street any day.


You my friend are the one struggling with the concept of Individualism. You want to be self reliant, you want to keep what you produce, you want to be fairly compensated for your efforts, intellectually or physically great. Then avoid any type of Collectivsm and get on with life. Avoid anything established and paid for by any sort of social, or collective effort.

voiceofreason wrote:

"Are you that oblivious to what is being taught in schools, even here in Utah? Either you are blind, or clueless. Certain things HAVE to be taught to children because of the NEA and the federal government MANDATING them."

Like I said show me a little proof... Not rhetoric but proof... You can't because it doesn't exist here in Utah.

Of course it does. How can you expect to be taken serious on this when you are in such denial to the obvious? Are you actually asserting that ALL of the curriculum is set by the local school board? Really?

voiceofreason wrote:

"Yes, parents did get upset that their children were going to be FORCED to listen to political LIES from Obama, as well they should have. School is where kids are supposed to be educated, not taught ideologues. Now, who sets what type of history is taught? Who sets what type of science is taught? Who sets how much sex-ed is taught? Who set up No Child Left Behind? It wasn't the states, and it damn sure wasn't the local school boards/districts, now was it?"

The LIE part is your OPINION Right?? The Local School Board through ELECTIONS set exactly the Cirriculum that will be taught. Ya don't like what they approve I'd suggest ya mix in a Democrat every now and then.

NCLB is the biggest joke to be set on Education EVER... Thanks BUSH.
That being said tell me how many of the requirements are in effect In Utah
today??? Last I looked Districts and School Boards had most if not all of the mandates overruled. I didn't single you out as a bigot but if you don't think that plays any part in the reaction at the time you my Brotha are naive. Thats ironic about an inconvieneint truth cause I remember having a rather lively debate concerning Reaganomics in my high school years. Imagine that a teacher with an opinion and agenda.

See my above comments..... Guess what, there were a LOT of democrats that voted for NCLB, and Bush was a progressive, NOT a conservative! You are still duped into thinking the letter behind a politicians name matters.

Of course you called ME a bigot! You damn well know I have attended, and even helped organize some Tea Party events, so to say you were talking about 'other' tea party folks is WEAK! And I find it ironic you claim I have no proof to back my claims about who sets the education agenda, and then you spout BULLSHIT about people who oppose Obama's POLICIES as bigots. That is both ignorant and void of honesty and intellectual honesty!

Debating 'Reaganomics' is a whole lot different than being REQUIRED to watch a movie based on LIES in order to get a passing grade. If you can't see the difference.......

voiceofreason wrote:

"Teachers should not be able to strike and hold the children ransom, they should not be able to bargain collectively with those they put in office, that is known in the real world as a conflict of interest!"

Could not disagree more here... Suprise, suprise. Look what happened in Ogden where the rights were stripped. The Union approached the Board
last year and couldn't get ANY TYPE of response. Until they get the letter saying either show up or you are fired. Talk about holding kids hostage. I'd take a long term Union Teacher over "Joe I'll work for nothing" off the street any day.


You my friend are the one struggling with the concept of Individualism. You want to be self reliant, you want to keep what you produce, you want to be fairly compensated for your efforts, intellectually or physically great. Then avoid any type of Collectivsm and get on with life. Avoid anything established and paid for by any sort of social, or collective effort.

Please explain what 'rights' Ogden was stripped of? Explain why you'll take a unionized teacher over a "I'll work for nothing" 'off the street worker'? Does paying union dues make one smarter, more dedicated, more caring? I was union for 12 years, and I can assure you with 100% surety, that is NOT the case!

As for individualism, if the government promises to give everything back to me that it TOOK by FORCE, and promises to never TAKE from me again with FORCE, I will gladly volunteer to be prohibited from using these 'services'. Until then, it is YOU that is hypocritical in implying I should be happy having funds TAKEN by FORCE to fund socialist programs/policies! You are either being dishonest with me, yourself, or you are not aware of reality!!!!!

If you want to play the Martyr card on the race card I threw out go ahead... After all, the all knowing all powerful PROPHYLACTIC knows EXACTLY what I'm thinking before I do!!! Much of a God Complex there Mr. Fricken thought Cop???
Damn, back away from yourself... I don't care if you are the Grand Dragon of the Sanpete County KKK Chapter I DIDN'T CALL YOUR STOOPID ASS A BIGOT!!!
You are one IGNORANT SUMBITCH!!!

CLEAR ENOUGH???


As far as curriculum I simply asked for proof, which you can't provide. All you can offer up is the same spoonfed blather with no substance...

I'll ask again. Tell me where in UTAH they are teaching homosexuality in PUBLIC SCHOOL???



As for part II of your inane rant, are you going to renounce your status as a citizen of the United States Of America???