Mike Lee flings the mud first

How do you read that we are for ... At the least status quo...Or at the worst
making things even more tyrannical. Sorry but my comprehension didn't deduce that

voiceofreason wrote:

How do you read that we are for ... At the least status quo...Or at the worst
making things even more tyrannical. Sorry but my comprehension didn't deduce that

Of course not, that is why you support the likes of Sam.

Railing on those who are willing to stop repeating the same insanity that is going on in Congress today sure implies one is happy with the status qua. The current tax system STINKS. And to just advocate 'tweaking' it is like advocating 'tweaking' the Social Security mess. Misleading people into thinking Sam is for the middle class while Lee/Bridgewater are against the middle class is politics as usual. Pitting one segment of society against another. He took this right out of the Washington political insider play book. Politics as usual seems to be all he is capable of.

So if he was to maybe drop a couple Glenn Beck sound bites... Fire off a little
" the country is going to hell" rhetoric he would be taking an acceptable approach???
How about a little Sarah Palin you betcha?? Would that be acceptable???

News for ya..... Once these guys hit DC the only thing that is going to matter is the special interest that is contributing to the re-election fund and if the item their voting on is from the right or left side of the aisle.

Unfortunately thats why we are where we are

voiceofreason wrote:

So if he was to maybe drop a couple Glenn Beck sound bites... Fire off a little
" the country is going to hell" rhetoric he would be taking an acceptable approach???
How about a little Sarah Palin you betcha?? Would that be acceptable???

News for ya..... Once these guys hit DC the only thing that is going to matter is the special interest that is contributing to the re-election fund and if the item their voting on is from the right or left side of the aisle.

Unfortunately thats why we are where we are

So, then according to your logic it doesn't matter which of these candidates is elected, INCLUDING Sam. Brilliant!

Yep that pretty much nails it.

The Republirats have already said that they are in favor of setting off nukes
a couple hundred miles southwest of my home. Want to raise my retirement age
to around 80 and want to do who knows what with social security.

One other thing I wanted input on from you and the duk was Corporate
campaign sponsorship. Will our politicians now have suits that look like a nascar drivers get up???

voiceofreason wrote:

One other thing I wanted input on from you and the duk was Corporate campaign sponsorship. Will our politicians now have suits that look like a nascar drivers get up???

My opinion is that campaign financing should be private funding only, no lobbying or gifts from lobbyists and firm/short term limits

The ONLY way to get a handle on campaign financial reform is to repeal the 17th Amendment! Anything short of that would be mere smoke screens. You want US Senators to represent their respective states, get the 16th Amendment null and void!

Granato is a Mafioso. A Chicago mobster like our president.

Anyone that doesn't run on a platform of destruction of income taxes and entitlement programs is just planning on furthering the destruction of America.

fatbass wrote:

Anyone that doesn't run on a platform of destruction of income taxes and entitlement programs is just planning on furthering the destruction of America.

BRAVO!!

BLAH BLAH BLAH Socialist, BLAH BLAH BLAH Entitlement, BLAH BLAH BLAH Destruction of Govt.

I thought we had passed this!!!! It ain't gonna happen I don't care who you put in there once the green goes in front of the nose everything changes.

KNRS 105.7FM has fired Bob Lonsberry, arguably the most influential conservative talker in Utah radio. The reason given is KNRS claims his ratings had slipped after they switched to a different rating system and changing from AM to FM. This excuse is preposterous since Bob Lonsberry has been extremely popular and very influential in Utah Politics which is most likely the cause of his forced exit from KNRS.

Bob Lonsberry is very influential and played a roll in the undoing of Senator Bob Bennett at the Utah Republican Convention. Lonsberry was very vocal in his opposition to the three term Senator and has sent shock waves through the Utah and National Republican establishment. Lonsberry’s firing is the establishment’s backlash against what they see as an assault to their power.

The other contributing factor that may have led to KNRS dumping Bob Lonsberry is the fact that he endorsed Tim Bridgewater against Mike Lee. Bridgrwater has suspended all advertising from KNRS in response to the Lonsberry firing. Energy Solutions is backing Mike Lee’s Senate campaign and also happens to be one of KNRS’ main sponsors. Could their be a connection? I certainly hope not but if so it could spell trouble for Mike Lee among conservatives who listened to Bob Lonsberry, which are many. Just ask Bob Bennett.




I had heard that Mikey was running scared of the Women Republicans
and didn't show to a debate because he was paranoid about a lynching and now this???

Can't wait for the explaination on this.... Liberal Media???



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2QtOH7X_nM

So is Mike Lee playing Utahns for fools or is he being played?
Follow the money trail

EnergySolutions, the large Utah-based nuclear energy waste storage corporation, had a candidate in the Utah Senate race. That was incumbent Senator Bob Bennett. He did not make it through the May 8 convention, but never fear – ES hedged their bets with another EnergySolutions champion from South Carolina who endorsed the young lawyer who argues that EnergySolutions’ rights trump Utah’s.

Senator Jim DeMint of South Carolina has received thousands of dollars over the last several years from EnergySolutions. In addition, his state recently voted to ban foreign waste, so he needed to find a new place to park it. Utah was the “lucky” winner.

In addition to the low-level radioactive waste, South Carolina needed a place to send depleted uranium. Over the protestations of Utah’s Governor Herbert, several boxcar loads of that uranium was recently shipped to Utah but Herbert secured a temporary court-ordered stay. If that were not egregious enough, ES is now trying to “blend” the waste so that the Clive facility can take the “hotter” B and C waste that Utahns oppose. If EnergySolutions can force Utah to take the depleted uranium tailings, they stand to make money. If Utah has to take the blended waste, EnergySolutions stands to make more money.

The big cash cow, however, is the foreign waste from Italy. If they are successful at forcing Utah to take the waste, EnergySolutions stands to make $6 BILLION in profit. $200K thrown on an election is pocket change.

Why Mike Lee?

Who better than a young lawyer who made over $600,000 in 15 months arguing that Utah had no right to refuse foreign waste? Mike Lee also had stock in the company, which he sold the day before he announced his candidacy — stock that rose in value, thanks to the tens of millions of dollars in stimulus funds that poured into EnergySolutions. It is likely the source of the “personal” money fueling his race, but the voters of Utah can’t know that because he refuses to file accurate FEC reports, even when reprimanded.

Senator Bennett was consistently with EnergySolutions and would have remained an acceptable choice to the corporation had he escaped the convention. However, Lee is the better choice as THE lawyer who won the case that Utah lost. To get around the fact that almost 80% of Utahns are opposed to the importation of foreign waste – including Utah’s governor – EnergySolutions resorted to hiring a lawyer who can argue both sides of a case without batting an eye. Will he also do this on the Senate floor?

When Mike Lee was the general counsel for Governor Jon Huntsman, he was against Energy Solutions and for states rights. He argued passionately AGAINST the importation of waste, saying he would “kill it, then dance on the grave” of that waste.

However, when he left that position, he took insider knowledge, turned it around and used it to argue against Utah. Governor Huntsman said of the betrayal that he was ‘highly disappointed’ that Lee was working with EnergySolutions. In spite of that, the state refused to back down on the Italian waste.” (Judy Fahys, “EnergySolutions Sues To Block Panel’s Say On Waste,” The Salt Lake Tribune, 5/7/08)

One candidate, Mike Lee, argues to force the state to take the waste and the other candidate, Tim Bridgewater, argues that Utah, as a sovereign state, should be able to decide something of this magnitude – the choice was obvious for EnergySolutions.

Get out of the way

Long before the Utah State Republican Convention where U.S. Senate candidates Tim Bridgewater and Mike Lee emerged for a primary run-off election, Senate candidate Cherilyn Eagar traveled to Washington DC to meet with a number of people and to work on getting her own endorsements. According to her campaign director, David Kyle, South Carolina’s Senator Jim DeMint suggested a line-up of his colleagues who might endorse her candidacy. All was going well until they discovered she publicly opposed EnergySolutions’ proposal to bring South Carolina’s depleted uranium to Utah.



DeMint and the Washington Establishment are now lining up behind the man most likely to bring home the bacon for EnergySolutions — the ES lawyer Mike Lee.

As I-Caucus has clearly demonstrated, there are many ways around campaign finance laws. One is to use multiple PACs to get individuals, lobbyists and other PACs to donate money far above the campaign contribution limit, then funnel that money to their candidate of choice. Mike Lee claims to have raised $115,000 online, yet it is Jim DeMint’s PAC that is responsible for $106,000 of it, with an additional $75,000 put in the race as an “individual expenditure.” Cozy with Jim DeMint AND Energy Solutions are Red State’s Erick Erickson and California Congressman Tom McClintock, both recent endorsers of the EnergySolutions lawyer.

Wanting a Senator who can bring home the bacon also means that if you cross EnergySolutions and their puppeteering, it could very well cost you your job. Popular radio talk show host Bob Lonsberry was fired yesterday after 10 years on the air in Utah. He was given no warning and, in fact, had just had a big party where his decade was celebrated and his success applauded.

But – he openly endorsed the other candidate in the race as a fighter who stood on principle. Not coincidentally, the #1 advertiser for KNRS, the station that fired him, is none other than … you guessed it … EnergySolutions. Also not coincidentally, EnergySolutions went to Tim Bridgewater earlier this week with a campaign contribution. Bridgewater rejected it. Bob lost his job within 2 days of his strong support for Bridgewater and Bridgewater’s rejection of the EnergySolutions offer – an offer that clearly has strings attached.



Utah’s puppetmasters

So just who is the puppet and who is the puppet master in Utah’s Senate race? Why would an out-of-state PAC and a couple of out-of-state politicians care about this race so much? What benefit is there to pouring hundreds of thousands of dollars into this race? It’s because the trade-off is worth it. $200,000 in, BILLIONS out. For whom? EnergySolutions and the ones dancing under their strings.

Utah deserves better than this. Utahns are smarter than this. As a state, we have rejected the importation of foreign waste. Why would we want to turn a blind eye to a lawyer who uses the Constitution as a campaign prop to further his own career and line his own pockets? Make no mistake – electing Mike Lee means electing someone who has sold his soul lock, stock and barrel to EnergySolutions and outside interests. He will not be representing Utah to Washington, he will be joining Jim DeMint in “controlling the Senate” and turning Utah into the nation’s nuclear waste dumping ground.

Gordy, you are good entertainment, I'll give you that.

Loonyberry was fired because his rating stunk, and the radio station wanted to have Glenn Beck and his MUCH larger audience during that time slot. This conspiracy of Energy Solutions having Loonyberry fired is beyond inane. ES airs an average of TWO ads per day on the station. There are other sponsors that have more, would they let ES control things? Are you really that naive? Bob have very little impact, IMHO, with Bennett getting axed last month. I met with over 500 delegates leading up to the State Convention, not ONE mentioned Loonyberry as a reason they were against Bennett. This blame game, and trying to link it to Mike Lee is dirty politics, something that Bridgewater has gotten good at right before the votes are cast.

As for your rants about EnergySolution and Mike Lee's ties to it. As a lawyer he represented is client, crazy isn't it? Another much-a-do about NOTHING. Desperate people do desperate things, and Bridgewater is desperate, as are the elites in the media and the elites in Washington that backed Bennett and now back Bridgewater.

I have to say, voiceofinsanity, your attacks on Lee and your defense of Bridgewater give your intent away. Tell me, if you believe it doesn't matter who is elected Senator as you claim, why do you care who gets through the Primary Tuesday?

The commentary you pasted, and didn't acknowledge, is mistaken is lumping DeMint as a Washington insider. A quick check of candidates he has backed versus who the RnC and the bulk of Washington GOP members will show how he is/was often on opposite sides. In KY the RNC backed Trey Grayson, while DeMint backed Rand Paul. In FL the RNC backed Christie while DeMint backed Rubio. In Utah the RNC backed Bob Bennett while DeMint backed Mike Lee. To paint DeMint as an 'insider' is dishonest. That you cut and pasted such dishonesty is troubling. Before you paint a picture, you may want to know a little bit about the subject. Just saying.............

Dude I'm not attacking or defending anyone.... I heard about this today so I did some googling..... Thats all. Mike Lee doesn't need my help to look bad. Obviously
it's because he is the front runner but like I said he's doing a great job of putting up smoke on his own

I don't plan on voting for either one of these guys anyways. I think I've seen and heard enough to make my own decisions.

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There are those who believe that, if you will only legislate to make the well-to-do prosperous, their prosperity will leak through on those below. The Democratic idea, however, has been that if you legislate to make the masses prosperous, their prosperity will find its way up through every class which rests up on them.

Where do you come up with such nonsense? Honestly, WTF?

Hey PROfalactic

Here is your source on the supposed "dishonest" cut and paste

http://www.redstate.com/cherilyneagar/

Like I said the GOP doesn't need any help looking bad. They even canabilize their own.

As for my signature... Well I gues the easiest way to explain this to a trickedowner would be to ask if you build a house beginning with a roof or a foundation???

voiceofreason I have already warned you not to cut and paste without citing the reference, I have no tolerance for plagerism, consider this your last warning. Sorry I have no tolerance for blatant plagerism, please post a link at the very least, most websites will say that their articles are copyrighted and cannot be reproduced in full or at all, please be careful it could shut this website down, and respect the publisher's wishes, it's the law!

Here is the deal, I do NOT think the government should legislate based on economics at all. They should stay OUT of the economic realm altogether and allow the market to dictate who prospers and who doesn't. The government should only be there to make sure coercion and criminal activity doesn't take place. Separation of the market and the state is just as important to individual liberty as the separation of church and state is.

Sorry Yonni no more cut and paste I'll just drop a link.

voiceofreason wrote:

Sorry Yonni no more cut and paste I'll just drop a link.

if you do want to quote some of these articles that are allowed to be copied and pasted then just put the article in quotes using the quote button above. The last bit of info was not copyrighted so it wasn't a big deal. I was wondering what happened to Lonsberry... jacked up to get rid of a guy when he was hired to talk politics, no matter how crazy he was.

Just for you wiley: http://utahsrepresentatives.com/2010/06/18/fact-checking-cherilyn-eagars-redstate-com-post/

Spin away!

yonni, Lonsberry was canned because his ratings were nosediving, and the station wanted to carry Glenn Beck and his MUCH larger audience live instead of recorded and of played in the evening.

PRO is the truth even relevant any more??? We've been hearing how ML was "the only person able to stop the Obama Liberal Agenda" so we've got a pretty good
precedent of B.S. being spewed.

In the previous post I said the GOP was cannabilizing themselves and with Eager this is what I meant.

I think it's a hoot that the holier than thou's are doing everything except talking about each others Mama's.

The Dems being clean HA HA HA hell old slick Willy turned an intern in to a humidor
then the Queen ( Hillary ) stuck with him?!?!?! are ya shitting me??? Pure comedy Gold.