Mike Lee flings the mud first

HA Pro did you seriously just tell me health care costs are set by Medicare??? Thats some of the funniest stuff I've ever heard you say...

You don't think drug companies balance sheets, ambulance chasing malpractice attorneys, monopolies by insurance providers, ppo's have anything to do with this cluster???

As far as hunting in Utah, lets say that OUR work is going to be cut out for US

I'll explain in private

Your logic is flawed in thinking that personal choices like abortion and so on are the same as utilities. These are regulated by the Govt. thank God. These things ARE public domain... Do you want to have a water system like Mexico??? as in don't drink the water??? What about the FDA. Moral choices are personal. Public domain is entirely something else.

BullExcrement PRO!!!! Utilization and captive market business philosophy is what drives cost. We simply don't need to go to the Dr. every time we sneeze for an antibiotic and these greedy motherf- don't need to charge $45.00 per aspirin.

Can you imagine what is going to happen when someone finds a CURE??? What do you think the cost will be???

voiceofreason wrote:

BullExcrement PRO!!!! Utilization and captive market business philosophy is what drives cost. We simply don't need to go to the Dr. every time we sneeze for an antibiotic and these greedy motherf- don't need to charge $45.00 per aspirin.

Can you imagine what is going to happen when someone finds a CURE??? What do you think the cost will be???

Under a free market, your theory would hold water, but since health care is anything BUT a free market, it leaks like a sieve.

As for your conspiracy theory on finding a "CURE", who is this changed by Obamacare being rammed down our throats?

I have no idea what will happen when a cure is found. How do you set a price on one of the biggest discoveries in HUMAN history???

Will the "free market" allow Humans to die in the name of profit???

What would lead you to even ask such a nonsensical question?

You don't think that is going on now?????

voiceofreason wrote:

You don't think that is going on now?????

Not by the 'free' market, but for sure by crony capitalists and their enablers in the federal government.

Back to Lee vs Bridgewater:

Yesterday, Mike Lee received two major endorsements from nationally recognized Congressmen - Tom McClintock (R-CA) and Ron Paul (R-TX). Both are strong defenders of the Constitution within the House of Representatives.

McClintock said this in his endorsement:

"Utahans need someone who won't simply say no, but who will actively work to turn back the tide of big government. The American people are desperately looking for leaders who will stop taxpayer bailouts, protect individual liberty, reduce taxes and restore Constitutional principles to Washington - Mike Lee is that leader. Sending Mike to the Senate would not only be a victory for Utahans, but for all Americans. "

Ron Paul said this:

"Mike Lee will do the work to fight for lower taxes and spending and for more freedom in Washington. We need people like Mike voting with me in Congress. Mike Lee is a dynamic young leader who understands our Constitution and will fight against out-of-control government to restore our Liberty. Mike has the courage to stand up against the bailouts and government takeovers being forced down our throats by Washington insiders."

Meanwhile, Bridgewater has Bennett in his corner, nuff said!

As far as I am concerned Lee has my vote, just from a McClintock endorsement.

McClintock is good people in my book.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ldx8gZDwZWs

That's McClintock's response to Mexican Pres. Calderon's visit to the States.

shotgunwill wrote:

As far as I am concerned Lee has my vote, just from a McClintock endorsement.

McClintock is good people in my book.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ldx8gZDwZWs

That's McClintock's response to Mexican Pres. Calderon's visit to the States.

I watched that video a couple weeks ago and that guy at least knows how to talk the talk. I just am at a point that I don't trust anyone that has an R or a D behind their name.

I cast my vote for the mud slinger himself tonight.

http://www.redstate.com/erick/2010/06/16/an-inconvenient-truth-bob-bennett-and-tim-bridgewater-together/

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Well, I was and am right. And it is more and more clear that Tim Bridgewater is playing seriously dirty in Utah with the help of Bob Bennett cronies.

voiceofreason wrote:

Look here is the deal. CS knows who I am. Pro knows me pretty well and I'm pretty sure that if need be they would be more than willing to vouch for my character.
I apologize to Jahan for making life difficult. Don't worry you aren't making my life difficult, I was trying to keep it from escalating. I have no problem with you are hyper at this point. I have met you before and you seem like a great guy, so no worries in my book.

Hyper threaten me again and the police will be knocking at your door. I don't understand internet threats and I also don't understand airing PM's as far as putting it on a thread.

I was jumping for joy when this forum came to be... Finally a place where I could go and debate against the days Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck and Rush the Junkie shows.

Well it appears that if you make some people actually THINK then you get threatened. Don't judge the whole site off of one individual, I am sorry that you are getting threatened by him, I hope he stops.
I've played the devils advocate because most of the time when you call bullshit on a dimwit regurgitating what he had heard on hate radio that day you are labeled in a few ways. LIB, SOCIALIST or just flat out threatened. Kind of like the climate in DC right now isn't it??

Let me break the news to you.... If you live in the USA you take part in Socialist activities every time you flush the toilet, flip a light switch, call the cops, drive down a road and lay your head on a pillow to safely go to sleep this is because of social programs.

If you think that you want every part of govt. out of your life then disconnect the utilities hooked to your home. When that sucker catches fire good luck in putting it out. Don't call the cops when your neighbors decide you have something they may want. Stay out of our healthcare system stay off our socialist roads and good luck living in the stone age.

Just keep it civil and there will be no problems. I have enjoyed the banter back and forth besides the threats.

From Sam Granato...

SALT LAKE CITY -- Democratic candidate for U.S. Senate Sam Granato stood up against any effort to increase taxes on middle class families Wednesday, and challenged his Republican opponents to abandon their plans to do so.

“The middle class is the backbone of this country. When middle class families prosper, we all prosper. And yet, even in these difficult economic times, the Republican candidates in this race are supporting a so-called ‘fair’ or ‘flat’ tax plans that economists say could result in substantial tax increases for 83 percent of American families. That doesn’t sound fair to me at all,” Granato said.

In a televised debate on KSL, Republican candidates Mike Lee and Tim Bridgewater both expressed support for a radical overhaul of the American tax system, including the implementation of either a “fair tax” or “flat tax.” However, non-partisan fact-checking organizations have said these plans aren’t very flat or fair, and will result in tax hikes for families earning less than $100,000 per year, while the wealthy receive sizeable tax cuts.

“Lee and Bridgewater need to stop pandering to extreme ideologues and start focusing on helping the Utah families who need it most,” Granato continued.

"Instead of trying to dramatically change our tax system just to find ways of taxing middle class families at a higher rate, we should be looking at how to close the loopholes that allow others to avoid paying the taxes they should be paying. The middle class has been taxed enough. Despite my opponents’ fiery sermons on the dangers of big government and higher taxes, their policies don’t match their rhetoric. That’s an inconsistency Utah families can’t afford right now."

http://www.voteforgranato.com/news/64-granato-to-gop-opponents-qdont-raise-taxes-on-middle-class-familiesq.html

voiceofreason wrote:

From Sam Granato...

A rather damning condemnation of Granato's politics, thank you for posting it so we understand just how pervasive the progressive agenda has become.

hyperduc wrote:

voiceofreason wrote:

From Sam Granato...

A rather damning condemnation of Granato's politics, thank you for posting it so we understand just how pervasive the progressive agenda has become.

A-FREAKING-MEN!

Also from the Granato Website




Why I'm Running
I am running for United States Senate to represent the people of Utah -- not just by paying lip service to their concerns during an election year, but by bringing their voices and issues to the halls of Washington every single day. Together, I believe we can break the partisan gridlock in our capital, seek common sense instead of ideological nonsense, and return to a more responsible form of government that works for Utahns.

The first step to responsible government is Common Sense. For too many years, Washington has been dominated by career politicians more interested in scoring partisan points and caving to special interests than representing the values of their constituents and the best interests of the American people. I’m running for United States Senate to change that.

As a small business owner, I’ve learned that you don’t solve problems by being stubborn and inflexible, and that real leaders possess the wisdom, humility and independence necessary to consider all sides of a situation and develop a practical, common sense solution. That’s the kind of level-headed approach I plan to bring back to Congress as Utah’s next senator.

I believe it’s time to return accountability to the halls of government. It’s time for our congressional representatives to remember who they’re working for – the residents of Utah.

In a unique, diverse state such as ours, voters need a senator who understands and respects their views and is prepared to fight for them. I am ready and willing to take your voice to Washington, give Utah’s values a seat at the table, and begin creating a better future for all of us.

Yeah cause TRICKLE DOWN WORKED SO WELL RIGHT?????


“The middle class is the backbone of this country. When middle class families prosper, we all prosper. And yet, even in these difficult economic times, the Republican candidates in this race are supporting a so-called ‘fair’ or ‘flat’ tax plans that economists say could result in substantial tax increases for 83 percent of American families. That doesn’t sound fair to me at all,” Granato said.

Is this written in a language you don't understand


"The middle class has been taxed enough. Despite my opponents’ fiery sermons on the dangers of big government and higher taxes, their policies don’t match their rhetoric. That’s an inconsistency Utah families can’t afford right now."

voiceofreason wrote:

Is this written in a language you don't understand


"The middle class has been taxed enough. Despite my opponents’ fiery sermons on the dangers of big government and higher taxes, their policies don’t match their rhetoric. That’s an inconsistency Utah families can’t afford right now."

I understand it, trouble is you and Sammy don't!

HA HA HA!!!! So are you telling me that you buy what the GOP is selling ya???

voiceofreason wrote:

HA HA HA!!!! So are you telling me that you buy what the GOP is selling ya???

Nope, I am saying I believe our tax system is, by design, tyrannical and most "unfair" on the middle class. Yet, you and Sammy want to maintain the status qua. If I was being snookered by the GOP I would be in Timmy's camp since that is what the GOP establishment wants.